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Noy · Mar 25 2008, 08:02 PM

Well? Should he be given a shot??

TazDevilED · Mar 25 2008, 08:06 PM

Oh most definately.
Can't do any worse than Carson did on his debut.

intotheforest · Mar 26 2008, 06:58 PM

I am always baffled why he is overlooked although Capello says he picks his squads on form and 3 successive 4-0 defeats as the West Ham GK this month has hardly been favourable, hence why Capello overlooked him first time round. Fortunately injuries to Carson and Kirkland have enabled Green to come into the squad and prove he is up to the job on offer.

Noy · Mar 26 2008, 10:24 PM

yeah admittedly I would like to put that week behind me because it really didn't show him at his best

But when he's playing well I definately think that he's got the potential to be one of, if the the, best in England

TheChelseaBlues · Mar 27 2008, 07:50 AM

I think its time to start breaking in Joe Hart. You've got nothing to win until 2010 assuming England qualify. Hart will be 23 then I believe and have a few seasons of Prem. action under his belt. Cut your losses, get rid of everyone at GK over 25 as a full time #1.

**Fowksee** · Mar 27 2008, 07:59 AM

^ Bit drastic there!

Hart, Foster and Carson are the future, let them battle it out.

Overrated_Fool · Mar 27 2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TazDevilED

Oh most definately.
Can't do any worse than Carson did on his debut.

That was unnecessary to be honest. Carson is a class goalkeeper who had a nightmare debut, thats it really.

I do find it strange how Green doesnt even get a look in. Those 4-0 defeats aside, he's been superb this season.

intotheforest · Mar 27 2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheChelseaBlues

I think its time to start breaking in Joe Hart. You've got nothing to win until 2010 assuming England qualify. Hart will be 23 then I believe and have a few seasons of Prem. action under his belt. Cut your losses, get rid of everyone at GK over 25 as a full time #1.

Good point actually. I think it'll more than likely occur towards the middle of next season. He has been promising for Man City all season, and although he looked abit shakey but he is now showing his true colours and I hink if he can keep up impressing he has a spot in the full NT. He has been keeping out Schmeichel and even Swedish #1 Issakson for a long time now and I have always thought he is the next England #1, not Carson, not Foster. If we got him into the setup in 6 months or so, come 2010 we could have a good GK on our hands who'd be ready and experienced enough in the Premiership with Man City, who by that time will be most definately playing UEFA Cup football too, and hopefully the NT set up, so he could be ready for WC2010.

**Da Fat P0rn Sta** · Mar 27 2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TheChelseaBlues

I think its time to start breaking in Joe Hart. You've got nothing to win until 2010 assuming England qualify. Hart will be 23 then I believe and have a few seasons of Prem. action under his belt. Cut your losses, get rid of everyone at GK over 25 as a full time #1.

Over 25? Christ that's drastic. You realise that James is 37 right? And most keepers will be around that age. That gives even 28 year olds a good 9 years

TheChelseaBlues · Mar 27 2008, 04:59 PM

37? How many national team keepers start for their country unti they are 37? We got rid of Friedel and Keller before they hit 35 and they are both better than anyone England can turn to besides James on his day... maybe. Maybe we have a surplus of keepers but I'll put money on Tim Howard getting pushed out after 2010 in favor of our younger guys unless he dominates, which is possible because he is pure class IMO.

England aren't my team but behind the country I live in and the country of my heritage I will root for them every time and I would love to see this GK mess put to bed. It's pretty clear to me that its time to start rattling cages across the pond so why not just wipe the slate clean and start with the young guys? I don't know how tough your WCQ group is but why not start breaking in a young guy now who can be between the sticks for 10+ years. Hart is a great young GK IMO. I'm an advocate of throwing young players into the fire to test them out. If he turns out to be cr@p then you know now rather then later. And you're in the same boat you're in now anyway.

TazDevilED · Mar 27 2008, 05:40 PM

Dino Zoff (born February 28, 1942) is an Italian former football goalkeeper and is the oldest winner ever of the World Cup, which he earned as captain of the Italian team in the 1982 tournament in Spain, at the age of 40.

Just to show that age has no barriers especially when it comes to goalkeepers.

TheChelseaBlues · Mar 27 2008, 07:47 PM

Key portion of that, the oldest winner ever of the World Cup. It's not very common is it? Dino was also one of the best GKs ever. Surely there are exceptions to everything. Point is, do England have anyone back there you'd want to see starting until 40? doesn't seem like it. You could say the same about Maldini but he's also the exception. Maybe its something in the Italian water

TazDevilED · Mar 27 2008, 11:08 PM

I do agree with bringing on the younger talent but surely friendlies are a great way of testing ALL the current keepers?
Green, Carson et all couldn't have done any worse (IMHO) than Calamity. He is a great club level keeper but seems to switch off at International level.
Maybe it's to do with his communication skills with his defense. They were all at sea on most set pieces and that is HIS job to co-ordinate.

**leeman** · Mar 28 2008, 03:41 PM

you cant just strut in and coordinate a 'world-class' defence when you see them 3 days out of every 2 months. its a joint responsibility, and a defensive line leader from each of the two topteams in the country doesnt actually help IMHO

-Orion- · Mar 29 2008, 03:21 AM

James is worthy of his place despite his age...he's only gotten better

As far as future prospects go, Robert Green is the new Paul Robinson...great to romanticize him now but he'll be everyone's worst enemy if and when he's given the spotlight, I'm sure of it...not though any fault of his own (no goalkeeper is perfect) but he is Robinson-like in his blunders, and if put in the same position as Robbo would end up the same way...that's my inkling

Kirkland is good but Foster is better... Carson is good and is being written off like crazy 'cuz of that moment against Croatia, which is why I hated it (for him) while loving it ('cuz I knew England would **** it all up despite being done innumerous favours)

Green for England? Nahhh...

intotheforest · Mar 29 2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by -Orion-

James is worthy of his place despite his age...he's only gotten better

As far as future prospects go, Robert Green is the new Paul Robinson...great to romanticize him now but he'll be everyone's worst enemy if and when he's given the spotlight, I'm sure of it...not though any fault of his own (no goalkeeper is perfect) but he is Robinson-like in his blunders, and if put in the same position as Robbo would end up the same way...that's my inkling

Kirkland is good but Foster is better... Carson is good and is being written off like crazy 'cuz of that moment against Croatia, which is why I hated it (for him) while loving it ('cuz I knew England would **** it all up despite being done innumerous favours)

Green for England? Nahhh...

They are both 28 are Green and Robinson, Green is hardly the 'new' Paul Robinson

mart · Mar 29 2008, 10:20 AM

If Foster can establish himself as number one with us (United) then he's proberly going to be in with the best shout for England number one in the future but for the time being i see no reason why James can't do it even with him being 37 it's hardly like he has to run for 90 minutes.

Overrated_Fool · Mar 29 2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by -Orion-

James is worthy of his place despite his age...he's only gotten better

As far as future prospects go, Robert Green is the new Paul Robinson...great to romanticize him now but he'll be everyone's worst enemy if and when he's given the spotlight, I'm sure of it...not though any fault of his own (no goalkeeper is perfect) but he is Robinson-like in his blunders, and if put in the same position as Robbo would end up the same way...that's my inkling

Kirkland is good but Foster is better... Carson is good and is being written off like crazy 'cuz of that moment against Croatia, which is why I hated it (for him) while loving it ('cuz I knew England would **** it all up despite being done innumerous favours)

Green for England? Nahhh...

Green has a tendency to flap at crosses, but bias aside, thats probably the only major weakness he has. He's a better shotstopper than Robinson, has better reflexes.

He's by no means at the front of the pecking order, but I definately think he's better than Robinson.

**libertine** · Mar 29 2008, 10:43 AM

We currently have a good crop of young keepers but keepers rarely peak before 28/29.

So we may have to wait a couple of years to find out if we have a gem hidden away. For the time being I would be trying to mix blooding one or two of them and playing David James. James is the best we have right now and regardless of his age he is in unbelievable shape and no reason we will see any real drop off in his play between now and 2010.

Foley87 · Mar 29 2008, 11:24 AM

not good enough and vastly overrated - doesnt talk enough to be a top international keeper

-Orion- · Mar 29 2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by intotheforest

They are both 28 are Green and Robinson, Green is hardly the 'new' Paul Robinson

No one had heard of Robert Green until three years ago and he had no 'top level experience' as it were, and even now he's not played in Europe and his crowning achievement is playing for a mid-table Prem team

Paul Robinson, may God have mercy on his soul, made his name with Leeds (when they were good), in Europe, and has been playing at the top level for comfortably over five years...so there's a difference in development even if they are the same age

TheChelseaBlues · Mar 29 2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Foley87

not good enough and vastly overrated - doesnt talk enough to be a top international keeper

Ha, of all the reasons to keep someone down, they don't talk enough... ha

intotheforest · Mar 29 2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by -Orion-

No one had heard of Robert Green until three years ago and he had no 'top level experience' as it were, and even now he's not played in Europe and his crowning achievement is playing for a mid-table Prem team

Paul Robinson, may God have mercy on his soul, made his name with Leeds (when they were good), in Europe, and has been playing at the top level for comfortably over five years...so there's a difference in development even if they are the same age

I'm sorry mate bu I had heard of Robert Green waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before three years ago. Rob Green was always tipped to be the next England #1 even before Robinson, when he was Norwich GK. I fail to see how you think Green was a complete unkown 3 years ago because trust me mate many had heard of him before then, Norwich being in the PL ring any bells?

-Orion- · Mar 29 2008, 06:49 PM

Norwich were awful in the PL, and yes YOU had heard of Robert Green, but we're not talking about YOU... On a GENERAL scale, compare where Paul Robinson was five years ago and where Robert Green was... One was touted as 'one to watch' and the other was out there thwarting Barcelona in Europe...big difference

intotheforest · Mar 29 2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by -Orion-

Norwich were awful in the PL, and yes YOU had heard of Robert Green, but we're not talking about YOU... On a GENERAL scale, compare where Paul Robinson was five years ago and where Robert Green was... One was touted as 'one to watch' and the other was out there thwarting Barcelona in Europe...big difference

What aload of sh!t. Norwich were awful

Wasn't that the season when they was level on points with the 3 teams above them going into their last game of the season? Oh yes it was. Yeah awful, as bad as Derby or Sunderland.

As for your other point I would put very good money I would put very good money on the fact that everyone had heard of Robert Green before 3 years ago. If I put up a thread in the premiership forum, a sh!tloadc would say they had heard of him, although I am not going to even bother because I ain't that desperate to prove a known point. Maybe following lower league football is required more before you make ridiculous statements, eh Orion?