NEC Nijmegen - Ajax: the prologue

[Novio]

28 april 2003: NEC - AFC AJAX: LOS...! Wederom wordt ons -Ajacieden- een onterechte combi opgelegd en krijgen we weer te weinig kaarten. We kunnen wel weer gaan praten, maar het verleden heeft aangetoond dat niemand met ons wil praten, laat staan naar ons wil luisteren. Naar aanleiding van de nutteloze gesprekken met de KNV-Bla zit er weinig meer op. Het enige wat ons nog rest is om zelf te bepalen wat we gaan doen. Bij deze het voorstel om massaal los naar Nijmegen af te reizen, met of zonder kaart. Nijmegen is overigens een mooie stad en heeft tal van gezellige café's en terrasjes. Dus tot 11 mei aanstaande, en neem genoeg euro's mee. Wordt vervolgd... 28 april 2003: Ajacieden door Nijmeegse politie geNECt! bron: www.ofa.nl Voor zondag 11 mei 2003 staat de wedstrijd NEC – Ajax op het programma. Maar zoals het er nu naar uitziet, zullen daar geen Ajax-supporters bij aanwezig zijn. Althans, dat zal de OFA Ajax adviseren. De politie uit Nijmegen heeft de gemeente geadviseerd de Ajax-aanhang slechts toegang te verlenen als ze met de verplichte buscombi komen. Onacceptabel voor de OFA. Onacceptabel voor Ajax… Donderdag 17 april vond er in Nijmegen overleg plaats over de wedstrijd NEC – Ajax. Terplekke kregen we direct al te horen, dat slechts aan 600 met verplichte buscombi’s reizende Ajax-supporters een kaart zou worden verstrekt. Uiteraard ging de OFA hier niet mee akkoord. Eerder dit seizoen kregen andere clubs 1150 kaarten toegewezen en mocht op eigen gelegenheid naar Nijmegen reizen. Vorig jaar kregen we voor onze kampioenswedstrijd geen enkele kaart extra van de Nijmeegse club en gemeente, maar andere clubs kregen nu zelfs 550 extra tickets. Tijdens het overleg hebben we ons hard opgesteld. Zonder mogelijkheid tot vrij vervoer zouden wij direct uit het overleg stappen en Ajax negatief adviseren. Deze onnodige verplichte combi was en is voor de OFA onbespreekbaar. Hoewel NEC verre van enthousiast reageerde, leek de Nijmeegse club andere mogelijkheden open te houden, zoals een parkeercombi. Hierop werd besloten, dat er op vrijdag 25 april 2003 opnieuw gesproken zou worden over deze wedstrijd. De OFA en Ajax zouden dan hun standpunten mogen toelichten en er zou vervolgens een besluit genomen worden. De OFA kreeg direct het gevoel weggestuurd te zijn met een zoethoudertje. De politiefunctionaris liet continu blijken onwelwillend tegenover het vrijreizen van de Ajax-supporters te staan. Het zal niemand verbazen, dat de afspraak om afgelopen vrijdag wederom naar Nijmegen te komen werd afgeblazen. Maandag zou het besluit vallen, werd ons verteld. Zouden de overheden dan toch naar Alkmaar kijken, waar de wedstrijd AZ – Ajax eindelijk weer eens zonder combi werd gespeeld? Zoals we gisteren al mededeelden is in de Kaasstad alles zonder problemen verlopen. Vandaag, maandag 28 april, kregen we echter te horen, dat onze supporters toch verplicht worden met een buscombi naar Nijmegen te reizen. De Onafhankelijke Fanclub Ajax heeft daarop direct contact opgenomen met NEC om opheldering te vragen. Als reden voor de combi werd gezegd, dat de politie de gemeente negatief had geadviseerd. De politiefunctionaris, die al zo negatief over Ajax sprak, die ons als constante agressor bestempelde, heeft ons geNECt. Het wordt tijd dat dit soort mensen vrijwillig ontslag neemt, om de weg vrij te maken voor gezagsdragers die wel met beide benen in de realiteit staan. Die wel supporters op weg willen helpen naar een normaal acceptabele situatie. Het was de politie die negatief adviseerde, niet NEC. Tijdens het overleg werd ons zelfs verteld dat een combi mede noodzakelijk is, omdat Nijmegen een grote anti-Ajax-aanhang heeft. Het is volstrekt belachelijk en onacceptabel om dit als reden op te voeren. Op deze wijze geef je jezelf als overheid een brevet van onvermogen om rust en orde te bewaren.Ons vermoeden na het eerste gesprek, dat we alleen maar in de maling zouden worden genomen, bleek helaas juist. De OFA zal Ajax adviseren geen kaarten af te nemen. Ajax meldde ons dat directeur Arie van Eijden direct een brief heeft gestuurd naar de gemeente Nijmegen. Hierin staat dat Ajax niet akkoord gaat met de beslissing en dat de gemeente geadviseerd wordt deze te heroverwegen. Het is duidelijk dat het hele seizoen al met twee maten gemeten wordt. De KNVB ontloopt continu haar verantwoordelijkheid en wil niet in contact treden met juist die supporters, die een betere relatie willen met bond, gemeentes en clubs. Het kan niemand ontgaan zijn, dat de Ajax-supporters zich het hele seizoen gedragen hebben. Ons goede gedrag wordt, uitzonderingen daargelaten, keer op keer onnodig bestraft. De OFA zal de andere vertegenwoordigers van Ajax-supporters benaderen om te proberen op korte termijn gezamenlijk een bijeenkomst te organiseren. Dan zal o.a. worden bekeken in hoeverre er animo is voor een alternatief programma op zondag 11 mei. Houdt de diverse Ajax-sites in de gaten voor meer informatie. Wordt vervolgd…

// Short summary. Ajax got 600 tickets for the match and a "combi"(don't know the english word for that but you have to travel with a bus to get a ticket). 600 tickets is the capacity of the away stand in our stadium(and the legal minimum). But they want to come with free travel AND 1100 tickets cause Feyenoord, who got a friendly relation with NEC sups, in contrary to ajakkes, did get that number of tickets. This number of tickets they will surely not get because the stadium is already sold out. But now they all want to go with free travel with or without tickets. The b******s! This only means they want to demolish our city, like last year when they also complained about the number of tickets and did damage some cafes and bars in the center! :angry:

[pyrtas]

well, you can travel wherever you want. It is up to the police to keep the city safe. Should be easier as they are aware of the fact already.

If the away stand is 600 how can they demand 1100 tickets?
Was the 1100 of Feyenoord fans rammed into the same 600 section or were they given some seats in the home area?

[Novio]

Originally posted by pyrtas@Apr 30 2003, 11:16 AM
well, you can travel wherever you want. It is up to the police to keep the city safe. Should be easier as they are aware of the fact already.

If the away stand is 600 how can they demand 1100 tickets?
Was the 1100 of Feyenoord fans rammed into the same 600 section or were they given some seats in the home area?

they were given seats in the home area

[pyrtas]

Originally posted by Novio+Apr 30 2003, 10:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 30 2003, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--pyrtas@Apr 30 2003, 11:16 AM
well, you can travel wherever you want. It is up to the police to keep the city safe. Should be easier as they are aware of the fact already.

If the away stand is 600 how can they demand 1100 tickets?
Was the 1100 of Feyenoord fans rammed into the same 600 section or were they given some seats in the home area?

they were given seats in the home area [/b][/quote]
In this case Ajax fans should shut up and take what they`re given.

[Novio]

Originally posted by pyrtas+Apr 30 2003, 11:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (pyrtas @ Apr 30 2003, 11:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Novio+Apr 30 2003, 10:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 30 2003, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--pyrtas@Apr 30 2003, 11:16 AM
well, you can travel wherever you want. It is up to the police to keep the city safe. Should be easier as they are aware of the fact already.

If the away stand is 600 how can they demand 1100 tickets?
Was the 1100 of Feyenoord fans rammed into the same 600 section or were they given some seats in the home area?

they were given seats in the home area [/b][/quote]
In this case Ajax fans should shut up and take what they`re given. [/b][/quote]
Precisely

[Knoert]

Originally posted by Novio+Apr 30 2003, 10:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 30 2003, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--pyrtas@Apr 30 2003, 11:16 AM
well, you can travel wherever you want. It is up to the police to keep the city safe. Should be easier as they are aware of the fact already.

If the away stand is 600 how can they demand 1100 tickets?
Was the 1100 of Feyenoord fans rammed into the same 600 section or were they given some seats in the home area?

they were given seats in the home area [/b][/quote]
I think the away area was made bigger for Feyenoord-fans, or were they really between NEC-supporters?

[Knoert]

I think they have to give Feyenoord in the future also only 600 tickets.

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Well, what I know is that AJAX fans always get other threatment, that's just not fair! And if feyenoord gets extra tickets so should AJAX! The best would be if they would give neither of them extra tickets, and not like this, which is DOUBLE STANDARDS and I remember that everybody here hated double standards...(apparently not if it includes AJAX and their fans)...

But AJAX fans always get trouble, I remember Vitesse, Utrecht, Groningen, Heerenveen...well it's just not fair and in this case hooligans can be of some use.. If the human way(talking) doesn't approve time after time......than I would approve some other tougher measures..

[pyrtas]

Originally posted by Knoert@Apr 30 2003, 11:23 AM
I think they have to give Feyenoord in the future also only 600 tickets.

The home team people take the full responsibility for security on the stadium. If they decided that selling some more tickets to away fans and placing them between home fans wouldn`t cause any trouble - free will. If they think that may be dangerous - obey the national FA standards and give only what they have to. 600 in NEC case.

[Knoert]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 30 2003, 11:33 AM
The best would be if they would give neither of them extra tickets, and not like this, which is DOUBLE STANDARDS and I remember that everybody here hated double standards...(apparently not if it includes AJAX and their fans)...

[Novio]

Originally posted by Knoert+Apr 30 2003, 12:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Knoert @ Apr 30 2003, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Novio+Apr 30 2003, 10:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 30 2003, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--pyrtas@Apr 30 2003, 11:16 AM
well, you can travel wherever you want. It is up to the police to keep the city safe. Should be easier as they are aware of the fact already.

If the away stand is 600 how can they demand 1100 tickets?
Was the 1100 of Feyenoord fans rammed into the same 600 section or were they given some seats in the home area?

they were given seats in the home area [/b][/quote]
I think the away area was made bigger for Feyenoord-fans, or were they really between NEC-supporters? [/b][/quote]
Yes, Feyenoord got 2 of the home stands

[Novio]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 30 2003, 12:33 PM
Well, what I know is that AJAX fans always get other threatment, that's just not fair! And if feyenoord gets extra tickets so should AJAX!

Feyenoord and NEC have a friendly relation. So it's no problem to give some tickets to Feyenoord fans. The relation between NEC and Ajax is not very good.. That's the reason they have to come with the combi and get only 600 tickets.

[The Utrecht West Ham Connection]

NEC and Feyenoord are friends. :angry:

NEC are a bunch of W.ankers. Everyone acts like they are friends of them (Feyenoord), 'cause they travel in numbers and are in the home stands.
Well f.u.c.k. that, they are in our stands next sunday, and cheering means riots, all other clubs are to afraid to take them on and they are afraid to go to Ajax.
Utrecht supporters could cheer in the NEC stand as well, no problems, are we friends as well then?

Feyenoord
NEC

Ajax are right in this one, but

[Novio]

Originally posted by The Utrecht West Ham Connection@May 1 2003, 08:47 AM
NEC and Feyenoord are friends. :angry:

NEC are a bunch of W.ankers. Everyone acts like they are friends of them (Feyenoord), 'cause they travel in numbers and are in the home stands.
Well f.u.c.k. that, they are in our stands next sunday, and cheering means riots, all other clubs are to afraid to take them on and they are afraid to go to Ajax.
Utrecht supporters could cheer in the NEC stand as well, no problems, are we friends as well then?

Feyenoord
NEC

Ajax are right in this one, but

This is not true. The good relation between NEC and Feyenoord is something grown out of the past. They get 2 stands for themselve so are not between people of NEC there. Of course there are also some Feyenoorders in the real NEC stands. Most of the time no problem. They are quite quiet. But this year, 2 of them started to cheer after a Feyenoord goal and were attacked. The story you told could be a case at other club but not at NEC.

[The Utrecht West Ham Connection]

Sorry mate, but all clubs in Holland seem to call themselves friends of Feyenoord, Groningen, NEC, Excelsior and many more.

Everyone is afraid of them and say: we're friends.

Got to say they've sorted the away fan thing though with their Diamond, Gold and Silver Cards.

[Novio]

Originally posted by The Utrecht West Ham Connection@May 1 2003, 11:01 AM
Sorry mate, but all clubs in Holland seem to call themselves friends of Feyenoord, Groningen, NEC, Excelsior and many more.

Everyone is afraid of them and say: we're friends.

Got to say they've sorted the away fan thing though with their Diamond, Gold and Silver Cards.

Well, I don't know much about the friendship of Feyenoord with other clubs. But to come back on topic. Ajakkes are surely NOT our friends. So these adjustments are certified. Last year, when Ajakkes could become champion in Nijmegen, they even sticked pamplets everywhere to get tickets. The adjustments were even stricter that year when every visitor had to let its (S)CC + ID+ ticket checked before entering the stadium. The night before some ajakkes scum were rioting in the centre, making a lot of troubles. So they must not cry for getting a combi and only 600 tickets!

[Mark]

sounds like double standards to me, should give the full allocation to all the sides, not just the ones you like Unless of course you know they won't be able to sell the tickets in which case you give them less

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by The Utrecht West Ham Connection@May 1 2003, 11:01 AM
Sorry mate, but all clubs in Holland seem to call themselves friends of Feyenoord, Groningen, NEC, Excelsior and many more.

We as true Excelsior-supporters absolutely DON'T wanna call ourselves Feyenoord-friends.

Mark, I understand your point. But the home team is responsible for the safety, they have to grant at least 600 tickets due to KNVB-regulations. More tickets are only granted if safety allows that (and the home team wants to grant those tickets). Because NEC - Feyenoord is 'low risk' and NEC - Ajax is 'high risk', they granted Feyenoord extra tickets because that's possible looking to the safety. Ajax didn't get it, because that isn't possible because of safety.

Excelsior grants normally 400 tickets to the away fans (according to the regulations), at local derbys (Feyenoord and Sparta) and matches in which there aren't many home fans (some first division matches last season and this season the cup game against FC Utrecht), 700 away fans can enter the ground.

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Hmm, why would NEC - AJAX be a high risk match? Assuming that AJAX fans would come on free travel, what's there suppose to happen?

If AJAX fans come on free travel, I suspect AJAX fans won't make trouble, since that would mean that they never get free travel again. So, the chance that AJAX fans create trouble is very small, I would say. That's in a free travel situation...(in a combi situation you have a possibily that AJAX fans go there themselves anyway...Well that'll create more problems, cause than they won't be coming for a football match)Then you have NEC fans...well I don't see NEC fans attacking 600 AJAX fans

So I don't see the problem... well in a free travel solution..

[Excelsior]

No, 600 ajaxfans in free travel won't be a problem, and Ajaxfans are so sweet, they never fight...

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Excelsior@May 1 2003, 02:04 PM
No, 600 ajaxfans in free travel won't be a problem, and Ajaxfans are so sweet, they never fight...

Like I said, if AJAX fans were alowed to go on free travel, why would they go and fight? That would mean that they would never be allowed to go without a combi and than AJAX fans wouldn't have anything to argue about that..

What does combi mean:

Combi = no entrance to the stadium if you go on free travel...BUT they can always enter the city on free travel...guess what happens than??

[Excelsior]

Why do you think it's a combi, because of the high risk with Ajaxfans! Those hooligans are so stupid that they are going to fight anyway!

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Yeah right, AJAX fans haven't caused trouble for a long time! When was the last time AJAX fans fought.... That's some time ago + AJAX fans are the ones provoked, not the ones who start the fight!

[Excelsior]

Man, Ajaxfans are the most violent fans in Holland, don't you even know that?

Ajaxfans often start themselves as well, but rioting at Ajax doesn't get very much publicity by the Amsterdam media...

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Excelsior@May 1 2003, 02:52 PM
Man, Ajaxfans are the most violent fans in Holland, don't you even know that?

Ajaxfans often start themselves as well, but rioting at Ajax doesn't get very much publicity by the Amsterdam media...

Don't give me that crap that the media is all AJAX. It is the media who always say AJAX fans are violent and troublemakers, that's bull$hit!!! Most of the time AJAX fans are PROVOKED and not the starters!