Capello gone

[Fowksee]

Bannan is Scottish.

[Jere Markus]

Capello made a disaster out of WC and was mercied by FA. Now he goes on challenges their authority. Good riddance.

I am certain next England manager will do better in Euro than Capello in WC. Harry is the right man for the job and escaped punishment for his tax dealings.

FA did the right thing in the (another) Terry scandal.

Earlier this month UEFA commented the Fenerbache legal scandal that "sports consequences and punishment should be taken even before legal procedures to protect the game". Same should apply in Terry case. The evidence is clear and can be seen on video, FA should step in and do something now and not wait until summer.

In Suarez case FA acted on less evidence, why let Terry off the hook?

And why would Capello give full support to somebody who has track record of bad judgement and video evidence of racicst comments? Capello made a mistake in WC, and now again in the Terry saga = out with shame.

[Gaurav]

Originally Posted by Jere Markus

Capello made a disaster out of WC and was mercied by FA. Now he goes on challenges their authority. Good riddance.

I am certain next England manager will do better in Euro than Capello in WC. Harry is the right man for the job and escaped punishment for his tax dealings.

FA did the right thing in the (another) Terry scandal.

Earlier this month UEFA commented the Fenerbache legal scandal that "sports consequences and punishment should be taken even before legal procedures to protect the game". Same should apply in Terry case. The evidence is clear and can be seen on video, FA should step in and do something now and not wait until summer.

In Suarez case FA acted on less evidence, why let Terry off the hook?

And why would Capello give full support to somebody who has track record of bad judgement and video evidence of racicst comments? Capello made a mistake in WC, and now again in the Terry saga = out with shame.

The decision should have been taken by taking Capello into the loop. The FA cocked up, as usual.

And who are the FA to pass a judgement without the court of law not being able to do so?

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by The Devil

Them days people cared more for England and that's because people enjoyed what each of them had to offer, we could relate to them and we could see an English pride in each one of them.

Not the manager's fault if the players don't care. You have an attitude problem from your players that has been going on for years. They think they are better than they really are.

Originally Posted by The Devil

Capello and Sven have destroyed England over the last decade, they've taken away the pride and in turn people have lost interest.

Capello has the best win record as an English manager. The failure at the WC is not all down to him. He is working with what he has got. If a manager of his stature and palmares fail, you have to ask yourself that maybe, its not a managers problem. But its easier to blame one person than the whole system. And he is foreign as well so burn the cvnt.

Originally Posted by The Devil

The days of the top dollar spongers is over hopefully.

The reign of your last Englishman (McLaren) cost more than the reigns of Sven and Capello combined due to the failure of qualifying for the Euros.
And you really think that Redknapp will come cheap. He is anything but an idiot. If he takes the job, he will want exactly the same money as Capello if not more. He is the only name for the job so he can basically name his price.

Originally Posted by The Devil

Pearce may not be the man for the job but there are Englishmen capable of achieving what Capello could at this tournament and it will be a lot easier to take seeing someone who actually cares urging the team on from now on.

Yeah, Capello really didnt care. He missed his son's wedding for an England friendly. Just to show how much he doesnt care.

As for "passion", makes me laugh every time i hear it. He's a fvcking italian for god sake, they invented passion!


I also find it incredible that a guy that's just out of court for tax evasion is such a fan's favorite. People have no morals at all?

[Lazarus1]

Originally Posted by Gaurav

I'd take Terry over S. Taylor, Shawcross, Cahill, S Dann, Dawson for sure.

You have put Spearing, Garndener, Barry, Guthrie ahead of Lampard, Gerrard, Carrick?

The strike force I can agree with.

This isn't the time to play youngsters. It's the Euro's. England need to push these players ( Even though I don't think vast majority of them aren't good enough) after the Euro's. If they had such a plan they should have played the qualifiers with a young team and let them gel. You will just kill the confidence of a few promising players as they would fail in the big stage.

Don't get this one at all. Still think Gerrard, Lampard, Terry etc are England's best players.

The midfield would be interesting.

I'd play

---CArrick-------Parker-----

----------Gerrard------

I was going along the lines of England needing to actually move on from their afflictions of failed pasts and hasbeens. Gerrard, Lampard, Terry, Ferdinand are all men of the past that are no good to England anymore going forward. They all bare the scars of failure that is not good for English football.

Germany are a good example of moving on, 3 years ago they were a Ballack only team, now they have a well spring of fresh young legs and talent to choose from.

[Scholesy18]

I'm in total agreement with giving the young players a chance, England haven't got a hope in hell of winning the Euros, to pretend otherwise is delusional.

Build for the WC in 2014, strategically a far better choice than relying on some "golden generation" who's best ever performance is a quarterfinal. Seriously why would you play them, then have to rely on them again in 2 years time when they're older less physical or having to throw in the younger players who will have very little Int'l experience.

One of the reasons Germany have a great chance this year is Low took some risks in 2010.

Clearly i don't advocate going in with the whole U-21 squad but in certain positions it's clear the players have to be phased out.

[Bossanova]

I don't agree that they don't have a 'hope in hell'

Teams like Greece and Denmark have won it before, and Englands golden generation are better than their youths, no doubts.

Capello had a near flawless qualification record, and his quitting is bad for england.

Spain and Germany are great, but beatable. Spain's core are getting old, and a tournament with lots of games will take its toll.

Germany are still immature in some areas, and can be defeated by a team with a good set-up. Heck, in the WC 2010, England were 2-0 down, then Lampards 2-2 equaliser was not given, otherwise the germans would have crumbled IMO...

[Scholesy18]

Originally Posted by Bossanova

I don't agree that they don't have a 'hope in hell'

Teams like Greece and Denmark have won it before, and Englands golden generation are better than their youths, no doubts.

Capello had a near flawless qualification record, and his quitting is bad for england.

Spain and Germany are great, but beatable. Spain's core are getting old, and a tournament with lots of games will take its toll.

Germany are still immature in some areas, and can be defeated by a team with a good set-up. Heck, in the WC 2010, England were 2-0 down, then Lampards 2-2 equaliser was not given, otherwise the germans would have crumbled IMO...

I don't think qualification is the best indicator, League format with home and away ties Capello usually does well anyways, the Spaniards in the past used to do well qualifying as well then the real tournament comes round...

They didn't make it to Euro 2008, they performed very poorly in 2010. Capello did alright but really mishandled 2010 imo, I honestly think Sven did better tbh, he gets too much stick for his performances as England manager.

They obviously have a better chance than Greece in 2004 but can you see some of the players in the England squad accepting some of their limitations and playing with discipline like the Greeks did? The players are overhyped and that affects their mentality, which is very important going into these types of tournaments.

The best thing England could do though is go compact 4-5-1/4-3-3 imo.

[Gaurav]

Originally Posted by Scholesy18

I'm in total agreement with giving the young players a chance, England haven't got a hope in hell of winning the Euros, to pretend otherwise is delusional.

Build for the WC in 2014, strategically a far better choice than relying on some "golden generation" who's best ever performance is a quarterfinal. Seriously why would you play them, then have to rely on them again in 2 years time when they're older less physical or having to throw in the younger players who will have very little Int'l experience.

One of the reasons Germany have a great chance this year is Low took some risks in 2010.

Clearly i don't advocate going in with the whole U-21 squad but in certain positions it's clear the players have to be phased out.

England should have started doing that right from the qualifiers if they had a plan of treating the Euro as a warm up to the world cup.

[Lazarus1]

It is speculative to say Germany would have and could have done this and that had x happened but there are a few cold hard truths, it was yet another failure for England in a major tournament and the other is that germany went in with kids and came out with men, for what was once dubbed team Ballack they are looking pretty good for the future.

Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand, Terry, Cole are just walking cancers, they have been part of the "fools gold-en" generation of constant failure, they ought to know that time is up and move on but they don't because England duty fills their pockets up more.


England need changes and there are plenty of experienced youth or players that play for the "non-elitist" clubs that will probably leave blood, sweat and tears given the chance. To play for England there are certain criteria's and the prominant one is "must play for one-of-the-de-facto-elitist-clubs-with-sugar-daddy-backers-because-being-rich-is-the-standard-we-accept-to-don-the-Lions"

[Scholesy18]

Originally Posted by Gaurav

England should have started doing that right from the qualifiers if they had a plan of treating the Euro as a warm up to the world cup.

Better late than never really. The lack of a proper strategy isn't surprising though. I never saw England do anything close to the review and overhaul Germany carried out after their failure in Euro 2000.

Tbf to Capello he tried to establish a great link and "graduation" structure from U-21s to the senior squad. He also did call up quite a few young players. Oh well, it will be interesting in the summer anyways.

[Gaurav]

Originally Posted by Scholesy18

Better late than never really. The lack of a proper strategy isn't surprising though. I never saw England do anything close to the review and overhaul Germany carried out after their failure in Euro 2000.

Tbf to Capello he tried to establish a great link and "graduation" structure from U-21s to the senior squad. He also did call up quite a few young players. Oh well, it will be interesting in the summer anyways.

Yeah, England generally do a few plastic changes without looking at what is really wrong with the side.

Genuinley think Rafa would do well in a one off tournament. But it would never happen sadly

I think Carrick and Parker would be the key. England have always lacked passers and a good DM.

[Jere Markus]

Germany are a good example of moving on, 3 years ago they were a Ballack only team, now they have a well spring of fresh young legs and talent to choose from.

Capello refused to take young players in his WC team. Fail.

At least he gave chance to Jack, maybe Ox next. The future under a manager who doesnt pick David James, Heskey and Warnock looks bright.

[Fredo]

John Nicholson on football365:

Okay deep breath. Settle down. Fabio Capello has gone. Harry Redknapp will replace him.

It won't affect much. England won't be any better or much worse. The players are still the players and still won't be able to retain possession but will have enough quality to win some games. The same old story.

There is a case for Redknapp as England manager. Many don't like him and think he's not good enough, others do. It's like that with most managers.

But it is an appointment campaigned for by large swathes of the press and most of the broadcast media output; a triumph for favouritism over meritocracy.

They seem psychotically desperate for him to take over; they want it with a lust that I have never known at any other time. They talk about him as though he is a family member. It is nothing less than a determined, concerted campaign and like any political campaign; they protect their candidate from any criticism. Henry Winter says 54 and a half million Englishmen want Harry Redknapp and the other 500,000 are Spurs fans who don't want him to leave. This is just untrue but it was asserted on Radio 4 this morning as though it was. This is the mood music. A story has been created and nothing which does not fit the plotline is being reported. It is a Stalinist whitewash to get one man elected.

Serious critique of Redknapp's management of almost any club he's been in charge of has always been very limited because presumably, no-one likes to criticise a friend. But this is not good enough.

Simply put, almost all media outlets and employees seem biased in his favour. Nothing which paints him in a bad light is published. When Spurs play badly it is never his fault. When they lose, it is the players who lose. When they win it is his talent. His Spurs reign has been described by slavering acolytes as 'magnificent' and 'extraordinary'. It is in such hyperbole that this awful favouritism reveals itself.

He's done a very good job, but not an extraordinary job. No manager is this perfect. Everyone does things wrong. Redknapp is no exception. He is being rated far too highly. This isn't to say he is without qualities nor even that he shouldn't manage England, but the way he's talked about across the media you'd think he'd turned water into wine, Michael Dawson into Franz Beckenbauer.

Think otherwise? It will never be raised in the media. The voices against him are muted and not given a platform, Right away, as soon as Capello resigned, there was a media maelstrom, telling us 'everyone' wants Redknapp as manager, when that just isn't true. Even the normally excellent Mark Chapman on 5live got caught on this media-generated story arc said it was 'unanimous' before, to give him his due, qualifying the statement somewhat. There is always a tendency for a collective group think in football where assumptions are made by a few and adopted by many others. This must explain why Capello, win ratio of 67% and all, is being described as though he was a failure and a bad manager, a bad man, even.

There are and always have been fans who have questioned Redknapp's abilities and there are even now. You don't have to hate him or think him useless to think and understand that he is far from perfect. But we are painted a picture as though he is capable of transforming ordinary talent into worldbeaters, of making players feel so good that they perform extraordinary feats.

Stan Collymore was reporting players' favourable response to a Redknapp appointment as though this in itself would justify it but surely he is not so dumb as to not realise that players always back the new man, just as they always back the old man right up until he is sacked or resigns. They gravitate to the power. It is proof of nothing and even if it was, should the FA really appoint a manager on the say-so of the players?

"The foreign managers have been useless," one caller said to 5live. This is the dumb level reached. This is who supports the Redknapp appointment.

The anti-Capello sentiment, like the anti-Sven sentiment before it, is nothing less than vile. His achievements are wiped away in this media frenzy which re-writes history in the same way a totalitarian regime does.

Today's arrogant bully, let us not forget, was appointed to instil discipline into a side indulged by Steve McClaren and Sven. It is a bitter irony that Sven was castigated - by those who now accuse Capello of being too cold and aggressive towards the players - for indulging the WAG culture and not showing enough emotion. What is a man to do? These two men took England through five qualifying campaigns and lost just two games. The Englishman in the middle of them lost three in just one. To ignore this fact as an inconvenient truth is an emblem of the stupidity on display here.

It now seems forgotten that the players had grown fearful of the shirt and of playing at home before Capello arrived. All was not sweetness and light before the evil Capello snake polluted the Garden of Eden.

The impression we are being given, as ever, is that it's not the players' fault we're losers at tournaments, it is the manager. But it's not the manager, it is the players, players who - like Redknapp - are all too often and easily over-rated.

A quick example: Joe Hart. A great shot-stopper, now regularly called the best keeper in the world on TV and in the press. However, Hart comes for and flaps at a lot of crosses; the world's best keeper wouldn't. This awkward fact is just totally ignored, is not commented on, and the great shot-stopping is focused on instead. So when he plays for England and he flaps at a cross, and someone scores as a result, it will be presented as though it is out of character or that he's playing worse for England than his club. He's not. A false impression has been created.

I hope Redknapp's legendary man-management powers will transform England from also-rans into champions. I see no reason why, if true, it would not work immediately. Presumably he will be sacked if this is not the case. Virtually the only quality assigned to him by his followers is man management, so if that is proved bogus, the reason for his appointment evaporates.

We've been down this populist manager route before with Kevin Keegan who, oh, he was English and could speak English fluently. It never ends well.

This whole affair is far too emblematic of the hysterical, bi-polar, idiot culture which underlies the national game.

But this love will end in tears. It always does with England. They will turn on the man they now vaunt and adore. They eat their own, this mob. It is sick.

They think they have won but more truthfully it reveals we are all losers.

Spot on.
But u wont read this in the Sun or the Mail and certainly wont hear this on Sky Sports News either.

[Omar]

Originally Posted by The Devil

Been saying for days we should get rid of him and give an English manager a go at the Euro's

The only thing that ought be important to England fans is that the manager should have a good command of the English language and a history of playing attacking football.

All this 'He must be English' bollox sounds a little bit hypocritical given many of the same people have been saying Terry deserved to be stripped of the captaincy for being embrolied in a racism scandal.

Terry deserved to be stripped of the captaincy because he's a twät (frankly, he shouldn't have been given it in the first place) not because of this latest farce. Capello was right to decide to quit after being undermined.

Originally Posted by Foley87

Im sure the Utd and Liverpool fans will come crawling back (we hate england an all that bull**** they thinks fashionable to say)

LOL, if we didn't come back for the manager with the highest win-rate in England's history, what makes you think we'll come back because the next manager is English ? I really do wish you'd think before you type, Foley.


Oh and YCSYFEUYA .

Originally Posted by The Devil

Capello and Sven have destroyed England over the last decade, they've taken away the pride and in turn people have lost interest.

LOL yeah, it had nowt to do with the Billy Big-bollox attitude of the overrated players. Nor did it have anything to do with a viciously overexpectant media or the small-time mentality of an increasing number of England fans.

Nope, only Sven and Fabio are to blame .

Originally Posted by Rorge

And you just know that when England fail at the Euros (which they will, of course), it'll be Capello's fault for leaving them in the lurch like this. The press that spent most of the last few years taking every pot-shot at him that they could will suddenly be crying out against his disloyalty and money-grubbing ways. Capello, meanwhile, will have walked into a top job in Italy, his image untarnished outside England because he 'walked away' on a point of principle.

And I'll be laughing my head off over the whole thing.

QF-motherfookin'-T .

Originally Posted by Lazarus1

Hart

Walker, Richards, S.Taylor, Shawcross, Lescott, Cahill, Simpson, Baines, Jagielka, R.Taylor, S Dann, M Dawson, Kelly, G Johnson......

Oxlade-Chamberlain, Guthrie, Parker, Wilshire, Barry, Downing, Young, Bannan, Jarvis, Jones, N'Zonzi, J Thomas, Huddlestone, Albrighton, Garry and Craig Gardener, Spearing, ........

Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Walters, Bent, Agbonlahor, Carroll, Wickham

N'Zonzi is French, Bannan plays for Scotland and Smalling/Jones is strangely absent. Otherwise you're right, that's pretty much the best England has to offer ATM.

[Lazarus1]

Originally Posted by Omar

N'Zonzi is French, Bannan plays for Scotland and Smalling/Jones is strangely absent. Otherwise you're right, that's pretty much the best England has to offer ATM.

My bad, Jones is in there, I forgot about Smalling.

[Omar]

Originally Posted by Lazarus1

My bad, Jones is in there, I forgot about Smalling.

Ah, so he is. Sorry, we're just used to seeing him play in defence (only occasionally in midfield) .

[Jere Markus]

And who are the FA to pass a judgement without the court of law not being able to do so?

In similar circumstance (pending law case) in Turkey, UEFA is urging Turkey to punish Fenerbache before end of legal investigation.

[Jay]

Capello, for what happened at the Euros and the way he dealt with the Terry issue has become a scapegoat. A look at the statistics shows that he has actually done a pretty good job, another look at his past shows he is quite clearly a very capable manager.

Frankly, with the Terry thing, whilst stripping him of the captaincy was the right thing to do and Capello shouldn't have come out and stated that he didn't want it, more criticism lies at the FA's door for the way it was dealt with. Stripping the captaincy away without consulting the manager and the player? If they had any understanding of what they were doing then they would have brought Capello and Terry in, explained why it had to be done and let Capello and Terry announce it as if it was their own decision, lets everyone come out of the situation smelling of roses. Overall the way they dealt with it was another case of the FA making a complete hash of things.

Bringing in an English manager, who knows the team and is liked by the media was apparently the solution when Sven left. Look how that worked out. As good a job as Harry has done at Tottenham and previously at Portsmouth, he did it with plenty of money to spend and FA Cup aside hasn't won anything. If Capello couldn't fix it I very much doubt Redknapp can. The fact that he's the best of the bunch just says it all about how pathetic English managers as a whole are. It shouldn't be about them being English, it should be about them being the best for the job.

Truth is as long as the fan and media expectation that England should be world beaters exists, we are never going to get anywhere.

[welshwizard]

Great article posted by Fredo and some excellent points in your post Jay.

[Da Fat P0rn Sta]

Originally Posted by The Devil

Personally I'm a United fan at heart but I watch England like everyone else and being 30 years old I can remember the days of Bobby Robson (just), Terry Venables, Hoddle and even Keegan.

Them days people cared more for England and that's because people enjoyed what each of them had to offer, we could relate to them and we could see an English pride in each one of them.

Robson & Venables were about 20 years ago. Football has changed a lot since then. You can't just play a 442 and send the players out against smaller teams. Back then the larger teams could get 5 points a group with ease. Hell Scotland were getting into big tournaments back then! Hoddle and Keegan failed worse than Capello and Sven at the big challenges.

You actually relate to these players? Seriously? These are guys on millions upon millions per year, they're 'couldn't give a ****' attitude is nowt to do with the manager, it's themselves. If you can feel pride palying for your country a manager shouting a braveheart speech isn't going to do it for you.

[Zeman]

I wouldnt want a foreign coach for Italy and I'm not very happy with the foreign players like Camoranesi, Amauri or Osvaldo in the team aswell.

For the rest to discuss about Capello's abilities is ridiculous as he won in his career more than any English coach:

6 Italian titles with 3 different teams
2 Spanish liga
1 Champions League

Since he resigned (or was sacked), the only one with his experience would be Sir Alex. He's not English either but as said before there's no English coach with a winning cv. That or give the squad to someone with carisma and loved by people (Beckham?) hoping he can deliver results somehow.

[The Devil]

Originally Posted by Da Fat P0rn Sta

Robson & Venables were about 20 years ago. Football has changed a lot since then. You can't just play a 442 and send the players out against smaller teams. Back then the larger teams could get 5 points a group with ease. Hell Scotland were getting into big tournaments back then! Hoddle and Keegan failed worse than Capello and Sven at the big challenges.

You actually relate to these players? Seriously? These are guys on millions upon millions per year, they're 'couldn't give a ****' attitude is nowt to do with the manager, it's themselves. If you can feel pride palying for your country a manager shouting a braveheart speech isn't going to do it for you.

If you check back I said them players meaning we could relate to the players better in them days, today's players are so far from reality its untrue.

[Omar]

'Arry already making his Euro selection ?

[Jere Markus]

you can make those calls, just take the ticket and lead England to Euro2012 Harry!

you dont need to "promote" no player Harry, you make the call