Red Hand Salute - An educated view

[Balls Mahoney]

Good read:

Rule Britannia, Britannia Rules the waves, Britons’ Never Never Shall Be Slaves

They wont be slaves and rightly so. Brits, and Rangers fans in particular, should ‘never never’ be pro Nazi. The ignorant and uneducated fans who continue to taint the good name of Rangers by carrying out Nazi Salutes should be ashamed of themselves.

“Ahh, but its no a Nazi salute, it’s the red hand salute”

No its not, the red hand salute is non existent, and it pains me to say it, but the red hand salute is merely a symbol which fans embarrassingly hid behind to condone the support of Neo-Nazis within Britain’s shore. It's first appearance at Ibrox (I believe) in the 80's, coinciding with the introductionof the extreme right wing "Chelsea bootboys'" unofficial friendship with Rangers.
Terry Last, a soccer hooligan and a leading figure of both the head-hunters and the National Front, also played a role in the rise of this disgusting symbol and dragged England's national support to an all time low when he was pictured displaying the salute whilst "on tour" with England not long before his arrest and imprisonment in connection with his hooligan activities.
Following his trial Last was labelled "Little Hitler of the Soccer Thugs" by the English media.

Rangers Fans were recently up in arms when Celtic's Stephen Pearson clearly chanted IRA at a social function in Ireland whilst on club duty, we know he did it, and the media do too. We criticise the media for being one sided, well now its time to face facts – the Rangers support need to rid themselves of this disgusting salute, let's worry about our own house before we try and put others’ in order.
"People in glass houses should not throw stones"
If you see anyone, intentionally or unintentionally, contributing to the use of Nazi salutes within Ibrox, or any other ground where Rangers fans’ are in attendance, do the right thing and politely question why, within Britain’s’ shores’ are they saluting and displaying support for one of the most evil dictatorships in world history, that had they achieved there goal, would have destroyed Great Britain, a union which is sacred to many within our own support. Most probably, their reply will be, its not a Nazi salute, it’s a Red Hand. It's time to educate the uneducated, make it clear to the idiots that this mythical Red Hand Salute does not exist and it has no place amoungst a Rangers support that we are extremely proud of.
To ignore this, is to others- who need no encouragement to attack us an indication that we condone support for a regime similar to those which our current leaders are trying to rid the world of in Iraq and Afghanistan.

If they won’t take your word for it, tell them to ask an Ulsterman about a Red Hand salute – they probably won’t know anything about it, because frankly, there isn’t one. If that’s not possible tell them to go along a memorial service in November and to give their Red Hand Salute at the cenotaph, let them explain then that its not a Nazi Salute.

Worryingly this salute is becoming more and more evident within the younger bears. It is your duty, as a Rangers Fan to spread the word and protect our image which has been subjected to repeated and concentrated defamatory attacks from the media and anti sectarian organisations.
By all means possible fight for our reputation and challenge the unreported sectarian behaviour and pro terrorist songs from our rivals, but do so if you are sure that your own conscience is clear of any potential damage you have or will cause to your club and fellow supporters' reputation as you do so.

Remember - WE ARE THE PEOPLE , it is every one of our duties to keep it so

[zane1873]

lol i sing it at the games and i aint even british ...but those dumb@sses doin the nazi salutes should take a good look at themselves

[RFCno1Scotty]

well said really!
it shouldn't be allowed in this country or anywhere near the stadium or britain for that matter!

[RFCno1Scotty]

Originally Posted by zane1873

lol i sing it at the games and i aint even british ...but those dumb@sses doin the nazi salutes should take a good look at themselves

not only that its so stupid, if they had any british pride they'd know whit that salute means!

idiots really!

[AlCapone]

Well said.

It pains me to think some people glamourize anything connected to the Nazis. Anyone caught doing it in my mind has forfited their right to consider themselves British.

[Keano]

The 'Red Hand' salute. Absolute class. I wonder if the salute is in honour of the three Ulster counties that remain in the Republic of Ireland then? Somehow I doubt it.

Anyway, very good post.

[RFCno1Scotty]

Originally Posted by Keano

The 'Red Hand' salute. Absolute class. I wonder if the salute is in honour of the three Ulster counties that remain in the Republic of Ireland then? Somehow I doubt it.

Anyway, very good post.

It seems pure stupit
mind you a think the whole UVF hings stupit but thats reality and the way things are really.

[cherzo]

please rename this thread to - Red Hand Salute - A bigoted view, there is nothing educated about it.

[Balls Mahoney]

Originally Posted by cherzo

please rename this thread to - Red Hand Salute - A bigoted view, there is nothing educated about it.

Please rename your username to 'cheerio' and disappear up your own arse.

[Weebully]

Originally Posted by AlCapone

Well said.

It pains me to think some people glamourize anything connected to the Nazis. Anyone caught doing it in my mind has forfited their right to consider themselves British.

As have people who sing songs saluting a terrorist organisation who seek to destroy all things British, especially wehen they are Welsh and have no Irish connection.

[Weebully]

Rangers should forget all the nonsense in Northern Ireland and get back to being a Scottish/British club. If fans from there want to support us, fine, they are more than welcome, but we should not be drawn into what isn't our fight. We have Catholic players now and are about to have a Catholic manager. Just because celtic align themselves to Ireland is up to them, we don't have to take the opposite stance just for the sake of it. I appreciate there are links between us and Ulster, but that shouldn't mean we just become a branch of the UDA or even the Orange Order (which I am a member). Politics and football shouldn't mix and its about time Rangers took a real lead and took it out of Old Firm football. The club needs to operate a no tolerance policy and ban for life anybody who is seen as a ringleader for any acts of sectarianism. They should also let it be known that cettain songs are unacceptable and people will be remove if they are sung. Looking back UEFA did us no favours by no punishing us and if we can't sort ourselves out, then maybe we deserve to have Ibrox closed for several games or lose points.
Instead of looking across the city and pointing fingers at them as form of justification for our actions, we should just get our own house in order. So Nazi salutes, Red Hand Salutes, sectarian songs or any kind of crap is not welcome at Ibrox, lets just celebrate what we are, a great Scottish/British club.

[robbiebhoy]

Originally Posted by AlCapone
Well said.

It pains me to think some people glamourize anything connected to the Nazis. Anyone caught doing it in my mind has forfited their right to consider themselves British.

As have people who sing songs saluting a terrorist organisation who seek to destroy all things British, especially wehen they are Welsh and have no Irish connection.

Only difference is, from my experience at least, that many of them never considered themselves British in the first place.

But thats a great second post

[AlCapone]

Originally Posted by Weebully

As have people who sing songs saluting a terrorist organisation who seek to destroy all things British, especially wehen they are Welsh and have no Irish connection.

wtf...

firstly their Irish, they had Britishness imposed upon them similar to how the English imposed themselves on us Scots.

Scondly I dunno what your trying to say but the IRA were not welsh, they were a very real army led by men who had served in the British army previouslly...

and it's a fact that we, the celtic fans are not as bad as Rangers when it comes to sectarianism.

[Weebully]

Originally Posted by AlCapone

wtf...

firstly their Irish, they had Britishness imposed upon them similar to how the English imposed themselves on us Scots.

Scondly I dunno what your trying to say but the IRA were not welsh, they were a very real army led by men who had served in the British army previouslly...

and it's a fact that we, the celtic fans are not as bad as Rangers when it comes to sectarianism.

For a start not every celtic fan is irish or has irish blood, and if you are at a football match in Scotland, what has that got to do with the situation in Northern Ireland?
Hartson is Welsh, yet he was singing IRA along with another non Irishman, Pearson and don't even start on about the IRA. They are a bunch of terrorist scum who happened to kill 2 relatives of mine, one of whom was a serving British soldier, over there to protect the catholics. So I don't know where you got they were on the same side from.
And you keep thinking there is no sectarianism from the green and white lot, but if you ever pull your head out of the sand, you might just see differently.

[Weebully]

Anyway, although we allow free speech and all that, and I'll allow right to reply, can we please stick to football and leave the politics and what not elsewhere? We, the opposing sides of the Old Firm, are never going to agree, but as a rule are pretty fairminded people who don't get too involved in the whole nonsense of sectarian chanting and the like.
Its your forum as much as mine, but I'm pretty bored of it all as we just go round in circles all the time.