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robbert2005
Dec 7 2005, 09:14 PM
Who would you like to take over when fergie leaves??
Sparky
Dec 7 2005, 09:16 PM
Been so many threads on this. Go search for them.
1tom001
Dec 7 2005, 09:25 PM
No manager would be able to achieve targets in europe with the team we have right now. Its the players that need sorting before we speculate on the manager. He cant do his job if he aint got the team.
Sparky
Dec 7 2005, 09:30 PM
New manager brought in and then he can buy the players he wants, not work with players Fergie wants.
That should definitely be how it is... We got stuck with Cisse and i'm sure Rafa would of rather signed somebody else.
G Cantona 7
Dec 7 2005, 09:35 PM
wouldnt be opposed to haveing mcleish under fergie for a year or so he can learn about the club or just bring in that paul le guen, and make a ban on how many french players he can sign because you see that to much with foreign managers, bringing in their compatriots by the bucket load
Sparky
Dec 7 2005, 09:42 PM
because you see that to much with foreign managers, bringing in their compatriots by the bucket load
Wenger - Henry, Vieira, Pires
Mourinho - Carvalho, Ferriera, Tiago
Fergie - Fletcher
I know what you mean :ninja
You can't complain though. They know the players and they usually turn out to brilliant. I know I like having Xabi Alonso and Luis Garcia, thanks Rafa! :D
AlCapone
Dec 7 2005, 09:44 PM
King Martin Oneill?
Dave78
Dec 7 2005, 09:46 PM
Wenger - Henry, Vieira, Pires
Mourinho - Carvalho, Ferriera, Tiago
Fergie - Fletcher
I know what you mean :ninja
You're ignoring the difference between 'bringing in' and 'bringing through'.
Sparky
Dec 7 2005, 09:47 PM
You're ignoring the difference between 'bringing in' and 'bringing through'.
It was a joke.
Dave78
Dec 7 2005, 09:49 PM
It was a joke.
Ho ho.
;)
G Cantona 7
Dec 7 2005, 09:49 PM
no not martin o'neill, and enzo your forgetting about some of your spanish flops like josemi, morientes and that rubbish midfielder in the owen deal. Plus all the french flops that houllier tagged along with him to anfield. Anyway back to a new manager....if thats what is really needed
Dave78
Dec 7 2005, 09:50 PM
I've no idea who should take over...but IMO Fergie does need to go.
no not martin o'neill, and enzo your forgetting about some of your spanish flops like josemi, morientes and that rubbish midfielder in the owen deal. Plus all the french flops that houllier tagged along with him to anfield. Anyway back to a new manager....if thats what is really needed
Benitez and Houllier should not be compared, ever... :nono
Josemi isn't the best signing, that's a given. Morientes is alright, he hasn't taken the premiership by storm but he plays well and works hard. It's not like we wanted Nunez in the Owen deal anyway, we wanted Nando...
Red Devil
Dec 8 2005, 04:40 AM
Houllier
Houllier
He wouldn't come to you, he's at a better side... :laugh :ninja *cheap shot*
The Boy
Dec 8 2005, 04:49 AM
It's true, Lyon's midfield pisses all over ours, from a great height
Red Devil
Dec 8 2005, 04:51 AM
He wouldn't come to you, he's at a better side... :laugh :ninja *cheap shot* Yeah I know mate, so was my choice.
Threads are becoming crossed on this subject which, I am sure, will continue in the weeks ahead. Sam or Martin.
Sam Allardyce seems like the man for your lot in my opinion.
Red Devil
Dec 8 2005, 04:57 AM
It all depends on whether or not he is "fashionable" in the Prawn circuit and "sellable" Stateside. He is my choice yes, but the posh gits in the padded seats might not agree. And oh dear, the poor FA - they may want him for England when they crash and burn in Germany.
Alan Curbishley might still go for England after the World Cup...
Red Devil
Dec 8 2005, 04:59 AM
oh god no, then we are doomed to slip below Scotland in World Rankings!!!!!
Is that even possible? Well if it's possible for Utd to __________, I guess so. :ninja
Red Devil
Dec 8 2005, 05:03 AM
If Scotland can descend to the mid 80s in World Rankings then so can England, we do not have the monopoly on being supreme beings ya know!!
Time will to see if England are actually a decent side.
With Sven in charge it doesn't make things simple... :rolleyes:
fkipperdipper
Dec 8 2005, 05:15 AM
He can't see the obvious problems any longer...You can be too long at one place. Look at our form in Europeover the past 6 years...poor.
We'll beat Everton and Wigan/Villa and then the "fickle" ones will start saying "give Fergie one more season..." But I don't think we should nor will he. The cycle has well and truly finsihed now and we need a new approach. Especially in Europe.
mhrelayyan
Dec 8 2005, 06:42 AM
martin oneal
Newcastle 4ever
Dec 8 2005, 07:35 AM
Send Sir Alex to Newcastle Utd
Gol!!
Dec 8 2005, 07:39 AM
Lol, sign Luxemburg. If you want to **** your formation up.
fkipperdipper
Dec 8 2005, 09:03 AM
Fegtie gone for sure now..even if we won the e.p.l. they#ll send him packing on a high..but we won't do that. I don't think he'l lget any cash this Jan. "marking time at O.T now for sure!"
Funny how everyone has turned on Ferguson after being at Manchester United probably longer than most of you arm chair fans have been alive.
Bucky
Dec 8 2005, 12:23 PM
i think that the glazers will go for sven, however much we all hate it. but i personally believe big sam would be the best succesor
Legendinho
Dec 8 2005, 12:55 PM
You're ignoring the difference between 'bringing in' and 'bringing through'.
How were any of those mentioned players "brought through"?
Sparky
Dec 8 2005, 12:57 PM
Funny how everyone has turned on Ferguson after being at Manchester United probably longer than most of you arm chair fans have been alive.
What a stupid comment.
Fergie has done brilliant for United but he has gone on for too long, he should have retired when he said he would, back in 2003. Fergie has not addressed the problems...Replacement for Keane/Scholes/Giggs. He let it go on and on and now look, were ****ed.
scoot
Dec 8 2005, 01:12 PM
martin onealI'd love 1 of two, Jose Mourinho, or Rafeal Benitez,:clap I saw Benitez the in the town where I live (Heswall, Wirral) the other week coming out of Pizza Express, I asked him when he was going to manage a good team :laugh :laugh
Funny how everyone has turned on Ferguson after being at Manchester United probably longer than most of you arm chair fans have been alive.
Funny how you can make sweeping generalisations like that, eh ;) ? ...
SMG316
Dec 8 2005, 01:26 PM
I'd love 1 of two, Jose Mourinho, or Rafeal Benitez,:clap I saw Benitez the in the town where I live (Heswall, Wirral) the other week coming out of Pizza Express, I asked him when he was going to manage a good team :laugh :laugh
:salute Rafas ours!!!!!!!!!!!
Ps- wht did he say when you asked him (just for giggles)??????
scoot
Dec 8 2005, 01:28 PM
:salute Rafas ours!!!!!!!!!!!
Ps- wht did he say when you asked him (just for giggles)??????Don't know, he replied in Spanish!!!!!!! :laugh :laugh :laugh
SMG316
Dec 8 2005, 01:40 PM
Don't know, he replied in Spanish!!!!!!! :laugh :laugh :laugh
:laugh Its probably best that you didnt understand, couldnt of been pretty!
:salute
Red Devil
Dec 8 2005, 02:28 PM
Funny how everyone has turned on Ferguson after being at Manchester United probably longer than most of you arm chair fans have been alive. Can I suggest you get some facts right before generalising? I have turned, yes, but the past is never as important as the future. What Fergie has done for us is brilliant, but its history.
I have said this before and say it again now, Forest made the same mistake with the best manager England never had, Brian Clough. They let him stay on, and on, and on until finally nobody could deny that he had "lost it" a long time before. I can see the same thing happeneing here. Fergie has been great, but he is not producing the goods now, thats what matters.
Armchair fan? Hah! no comment.
ruudlover
Dec 8 2005, 05:25 PM
The manager will not be changed until the summer IMO
Think about this...
Will a new manager change the fact we are out of europe? No
We are currently in good form in the league, playing well, scoring and creating, will a new manager change this? possibly, and maybe for the worse
Fergie will get us in the top 4 atleast IMO, probably 2nd or 3rd and get us into europe, then depart in the summer, hopefully with a cup (i wish the league) then a new manager will come in the summer, build the team he wants, with the players he wants, to mount a challenge in europe again
I don't think its worth the risk of not finishing top 4 by bringing in a manager, and i feel thats why nothing will change, until the summer
Fergie will ...then depart in the summer, hopefully with a cup
There's a problem with that, though.
It might just delude him into thinking he can still pull the impossible off (at least with this bunch of players+tactics) ...
ruudlover
Dec 8 2005, 06:03 PM
There's a problem with that, though.
It might just delude him into thinking he can still pull the impossible off (at least with this bunch of players+tactics) ...
umm no, cup is very different to the league, not winning the league for 3 years will be the key
Seifer
Dec 8 2005, 06:26 PM
I'd like to see Ottmar Hitzfeld here :)
cup is very different to the league
Whilst that may be, ruudlover, the thing managers like SAF thrive on most is success. Starve them of that (in whatever form it may manifest itself) and you'd see them walk.
Put it this way - would you, in trying to help a smoking friend (who's trying to give up) offer them a free pack of Sovereign cigarettes because they are a lesser brand than B&H/Hamlet/Malboro?
magicbanjo
Dec 8 2005, 06:46 PM
i would say hiddink.:clap
What a stupid comment.
Fergie has done brilliant for United but he has gone on for too long, he should have retired when he said he would, back in 2003. Fergie has not addressed the problems...Replacement for Keane/Scholes/Giggs. He let it go on and on and now look, were ****ed.
Rubbish...
Back in 2003, most of you ManU fans were crying like little babies to have Ferguson prolong his stay.
Sparky
Dec 8 2005, 09:27 PM
Rubbish...
Back in 2003, most of you ManU fans were crying like little babies to have Ferguson prolong his stay.
I wasn't. He wanted to go out on a high and winning the title was perfect for that. Because of him we got rid of Stam and Beckham too early, Keane has also gone even though he was coming to an end of his career. We could have done with him at least til the end of the season. Getting rid of Keane like that was terrible.
Rorge
Dec 8 2005, 09:33 PM
Rubbish...
Back in 2003, most of you ManU fans were crying like little babies to have Ferguson prolong his stay.
You know most United fans and their innermost thoughts, do you? You're good at sweeping generalisations, I'll give you that. :rolleyes:
ruud best
Dec 8 2005, 09:48 PM
Ferguson must go in the summer
By Henry Winter
One Manchester United fan landed back in England from Lisbon yesterday to be greeted with a fusillade of crowing text messages from friends who follow rival clubs.
"Good luck with getting into the InterToto Cup" was one of the more printable missives. Yet still the travelling fans, the hard-core who have seen action from Istanbul to Barcelona, remain loyal to Sir Alex Ferguson. For now.
Some feel their beloved leader should be allowed to rebuild the team, granted time and money by the Glazers, commodities the owners may not possess in abundance.
Other diehards believe Ferguson should finish the season, try to walk off with the FA Cup and with the club's emotional thanks for a million memories, all of them good. This is the path United's board must choose before turning to Martin O'Neill, the one man who could reinvigorate a stagnant side.
A brilliant man-manager, O'Neill has serious family issues understandably occupying him but remains the outstanding candidate for the Old Trafford post. A wonderful blend of intelligence and passion, O'Neill would relight United's fire.
But jettisoning Ferguson at this stage of the season would be pointless, heartless and disrespectful to the Scot's achievements in transforming United's fortunes.
His record in bringing 16 major trophies to Old Trafford means his departure must be handled with dignity. He should be encouraged to step down during the summer, leaving proudly through the main entrance in the June sunshine rather than shoved out of a side exit into the winter snow.
A manager who spends most matches glancing at his watch must realise the clock is ticking on his time at Old Trafford. In his younger days, Ferguson would never have allowed a winger like Cristiano Ronaldo to indulge in showboating and roam out of position, as occurred at the Stadium of Light.
O'Neill and Guus Hiddink, the other best-equipped contender to succeed Ferguson next summer, would have had immediate words with Ronaldo, ordering him to direct his talents for the team's benefit. It was alarming to watch Ferguson tolerate Ronaldo's selfishness.
A man with an immense appetite for life looks tired, his public utterances seemingly on a *****ly loop. The awful nature of his press relations means he has few friends left in the media. One call for champagne was even heard from the press section on the official flight back from Lisbon.
Many will celebrate Ferguson's demise, while forgetting his stunning achievements. His legacy will lie not just in a trophy room fit to burst with replicas of past glories but also in the manner in which they were won. Few sights set the pulses racing more than Ferguson's United in their pomp, with wingers flying, strikers swooping and full-backs over-lapping.
Ferguson brought beautiful football back to Old Trafford, along with moments of ugliness. He brought Eric Cantona, the rebel with an upturned collar and a sublime touch. He brought Wayne Rooney, the golden urchin. Under Ferguson, United became football's answer to the Magic Circle. But the magic now drains away and so, next summer, must Ferguson.
That would leave the new manager a pre-season to work with United's players, some of whom, like Rio Ferdinand and Ronaldo, need shaking up.
Whoever is brought in must be given the resources to recruit a top-class central midfielder and centre-half. New blood is needed at United.
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HOTSEAT - SIX IN THE RUNNING
MARTIN O'NEILL
Age 53, odds 2-1.
Out of work after leaving Celtic last summer to care for his sick wife, but United could tempt him back to management. Transformed Celtic by winning seven trophies in four years.
ROY KEANE
Age 34, odds 14-1.
Unemployed after bust-up with Ferguson ended his 12-year career at United last month. Although the fans would back him to the hilt, it might be a different story with the players.
STEVE McCLAREN
Age 44, odds 12-1.
Middlesbrough's manager knows Old Trafford well after a two-year stint as Ferguson's No 2. Recently signed a new deal at Boro but a United return could be too big to turn down.
OTTMAR HITZFELD
Age 56, odds 7-1.
Out of work after leaving Bayern Munich in 2004, but the German has two Champions League trophy wins on his CV with Bayern and Borussia Dortmund.
SVEN-GORAN ERIKSSON
Age 57, odds 7-1.
England's coach was rumoured to be close to succeeding Ferguson three years ago before the Scot ripped up retirement plans. Could be ready to quit England after the World Cup.
GUUS HIDDINK
Age 59, odds 20-1.
Took PSV Eindhoven to Champions League semi-finals last season, having won the European Cup in his first spell in 1988. Recently guided Australia to the World Cup.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=BGWLCZ0UDFZ4VQFIQMFCFF4AVCBQ YIV0?xml=/sport/2005/12/09/sfnutd09.xml&sSheet=/sport/2005/12/09/ixfooty.html#d
illmatic
Dec 8 2005, 10:00 PM
wouldnt be opposed to haveing mcleish under fergie for a year or so he can learn about the club or just bring in that paul le guen, and make a ban on how many french players he can sign because you see that to much with foreign managers, bringing in their compatriots by the bucket load
please say your joking you want a man who has just handed rangers their worst ever run in history as our new boss no way we have to get someone who knows what they are doing someone like cappella or o neill and in an ideal world keane in as num 2 to learn the ropes
ruud best
Dec 8 2005, 10:13 PM
I know the media(especially Henry Winter) love him but I don't know why people think Martin O'Neill will be our next manager,why do they think we would want him if Chelsea and Liverpool didn't?
Like Cheslea and Liverpool, United will be looking to get the best man available when they appoint a new manager and since Fabio Capello,Ottmar Hitzfeld,Sven-Goran Eriksson and Guus Hiddink have all either won the European cup and/or the title in one of the big 3 leagues,I think Martin O'Neill will be well behind them on the shortlist.
Red Devil
Dec 8 2005, 11:56 PM
McLeish, you cannot be serious!!!!
Wonders what the odds are on Harry Redknapp?????????
How about Gasgoine? I heard he's out of a job at the moment. :laugh
JP(UK)
Dec 9 2005, 03:15 AM
If anyone can get us back into a great team it will be O'Neil, but unless his wife gets better that wont be happening...
Red Devil
Dec 9 2005, 05:56 AM
If anyone can get us back into a great team it will be O'Neil, but unless his wife gets better that wont be happening... Which is why I said earlier in the season that next summer would be a distinct possibility. I am an O'Neill fan but also an Allardyce fan. oh dear, I am going to be disappointed whichever way it goes, or neither or IF AT ALL. Fergie says I aint quitting!!!
Zib: United would not take Gascoigne if the Armageddon Choral Society began rehearsals, Hell froze over and United were below FC United of Manchester in the North West Wellington Manufacturers Cooperative League
yogibear
Dec 9 2005, 09:07 AM
come on half of you guys wanted Moyes last year. Then it was the Spurs manager..... :laugh :laugh .you don't have a clue at all do you? :-)
yogibear
Dec 9 2005, 09:07 AM
Fergie will get "sacked"...he can say what he wants I believe the decision has been made already!
scoot
Dec 9 2005, 09:49 AM
How about Gasgoine? I heard he's out of a job at the moment. :laughI heard he was your next Manager when Whinger leaves for Real Madrid :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh
RAUL007
Dec 9 2005, 10:16 AM
Le Guen or Martin :)
Scholesy18
Dec 9 2005, 10:27 AM
Eric Cantona
that would be amazing, but he doesn't have the experience sadly and he said he'd never manage united with the glazers in charge
Sparky
Dec 9 2005, 11:59 AM
Back of the sun today says United want Hiddink.
Rorge
Dec 9 2005, 12:01 PM
Back of the sun today says United want Hiddink.
Hiddinck is a very good coach, and his teams always play good football. Rumours are going to be ten a penny over the next few months, though. I wouldn't put too much credit in what the Sun says.
Sparky
Dec 9 2005, 12:03 PM
Yeh i know, only the other day it was Hitzfield, now Hiddink. I will only believe a club statement.
Sun = Bollocks, but sometimes, there random nonesense has to be right, just by the rule of averages.
Yeh i know, only the other day it was Hitzfield, now Hiddink. I will only believe a club statement.
I'm stopped believe them since the Obi situation...
ruudlover
Dec 9 2005, 03:45 PM
well i beleive most people are in agreement that fergie should leave in the summer, but we must find the right manager, if good's 1's are not availble, who no how to handle to big players, and win trophies then there's no point in getting rid of al
nizmo
Dec 9 2005, 03:52 PM
we dont need a new manager. We need the whole fukkin chelsea team!
nizmo
Dec 9 2005, 03:53 PM
we dont need a new manager. We need the whole the chelsea team!
AlCapone
Dec 9 2005, 08:57 PM
Imagine Malcom Glazer became the manager
I'd bask in the glory that would be Man Utd in the Championship :laugh
Hiddink is a class coach. He would be just the right man i think. He's done wonders with several teams over the years.
we dont need a new manager. We need the whole the chelsea team!
Who do you support again?
You know most United fans and their innermost thoughts, do you? You're good at sweeping generalisations, I'll give you that. :rolleyes:
Yeh I do actually, I live in Asia regrettably... .
Why don't all of you concentrate your hatred towards the Glazers making your club debt ridden? I believe most of your misfortunes stem and will continue to stem from that. Yes Ferguson has made some incredibly silly mistakes in the past but there is no denying he is a quality manager. After Beckham left, Arsenal went through an entire season being unbeaten and after that Chelski were born; I'd say it was an incredible task to be Premier Champions compared to that... look where Liverpool were last year and they won the Champions League.
I hate ManU but I belive you can't do any better with any other coach because he has proven time and time again in the past that he is quality.
Red Devil
Dec 10 2005, 05:17 AM
Rumours are going to be ten a penny over the next few months, though. I wouldn't put too much credit in what the Sun says. Exactly. We shall just have to wait, and see. The Sun is the font of all knowledge so we must listen and digest ;)
Rorge
Dec 10 2005, 06:13 PM
Why don't all of you concentrate your hatred towards the Glazers making your club debt ridden? I believe most of your misfortunes stem and will continue to stem from that.
How on Earth can United's failures in Europe over the past 4 years, and in the league for the past 2, be blamed on the man who bought the club just six months ago?
Perhaps in time, it may be that Glazer will be a hindrance to the club. At the moment, blaming him is burying your head in the sand.
hugetomatoes
Dec 10 2005, 08:42 PM
Mourinho.im sure glazer can make an effort for him, since he's so rich:cool
RvN 10
Dec 10 2005, 08:46 PM
He isnt rich tough is he. Had to borrow money the Cuunt
Super Pibe #7
Dec 10 2005, 08:51 PM
ive just relised theres 2 rvn10:blink:
Omar
Dec 11 2005, 11:44 AM
I'd agree that Hiddink is the best candidate for the job - he'd have to give up this penchant he seems to have for managing 2 teams at once though :laugh !
I'd agree that Hiddink is the best candidate for the job - he'd have to give up this penchant he seems to have for managing 2 teams at once though :laugh !
You can have him after he guides us to the WC win next year. :devil
Omar
Dec 11 2005, 10:09 PM
You can have him after he guides us to the WC win next year. :devil
Hey look *holds hand up* - what he does between now and the opening game of the '06/07 season, matters little to me ;) ... just as long as he's in the United technical area next season :nod
Disclaimer:
Actually it does matter (a little), seeing as I have a soft spot for PSV. I mean internationally ;)
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