Germany vs. Turkey

[ACBerb]

German coach Jurgen Klinsmann insisted Friday he was confident ahead of Saturday's international friendly against Turkey despite the absence of captain Michael Ballack with flu.

"We've played twice recently without (Ballack), both against Argentina and the team compensated in an extraordinary way for the absence of their leader," said Klinsmann of their two draws against the Argentinians this year.

"His tasks have to be shared among a few people and I want the team to answer certain critics again."

Klinsmann is expected to call on Werder Bremen's Tim Borowski to step in for Ballack who is also uncertain for their friendly against China on October 12 in Hamburg, Germany.

"The critics haven't killed our optimism and pleasure in playing: when you see the progress the players have made in the last fifteen months we can only be delighted," added 1990 World Cup winner.

But Klinsmann, who is normally based in California, believes the three-time FIFA World Cup winners need to stop leaking goals if they have aspirations to follow up their last triumph in 1990.

In the 2005 Confederations Cup Germany reached the semi-finals - losing 3-2 to winners Brazil - but Klinsmann's team conceded 11 goals in five games.

Germany conceded just one goal to reach the 2002 FIFA World Cup final before falling 2-0 to Brazil in Yokohama.

The times they are a changin'! I think one should look at the goals for too, I seam to remember a bunch of 1-0 games in '02 now 3 or 4 goals a game seems to be the norm. :drinkbeer
Let's hope the "second string" strikers can get the job done in Istanbul.

[TheNameOfTheG..]

Does Turkey after this game plays qualifays for WC in Wensday?

[ACBerb]

Yes, against Albania in Albania.

[Danish Dynamite]

Come on Germany and Albania!!!!!!!! :clap

[Switchblade]

Beat me to it :laugh

[ACBerb]

Boys I'm all for you cheering on Germany, but how does that help your cause it's a non-qualifier? Or the more Turkey loses (meaning full or not) the better!:cool

[TheNameOfTheG..]

Boys I'm all for you cheering on Germany, but how does that help your cause it's a non-qualifier? Or the more Turkey loses (meaning full or not) the better!:cool

Well, they can make Turky more tired and they can injur some players too :ninja
I belive Danes are counting on this :USA_Blue

[Danish Dynamite]

Your country will loose many money on the beer sale, if we not going to qualify. :laugh

[ACBerb]

Son of a....
1-0 Turks 25 mins:banghead

[jordankhamra]

Son of a....
1-0 Turks 25 mins:banghead

Is the game on TV or on the web anywhere?

[ACBerb]

I'm at work so I don't know about TV but you can follow on -
http://de.sports.yahoo.com/fo/
Follow the "Türkei - Deutschland" link... if you don't mind German.

[ACBerb]

Now it's 2-0 with only a few minutes left!:handbags
Anyone watching this? What's going on... it's a good thing the WC is in Germany the last two road efforts haven't looked good!

[ACBerb]

2-1 Final! Oliver Neuville stumbled one in, in the last few seconds!

[max morlock]

Please note forum members:

If you play kids..you lose.
We have no chance in the world cup if inexperienced players like Sinkiwicz, Jansen, Mertesacker all play.

These guys need to have 4/5 years in the Bundesliga and 1/2 years in the Champions League.
People on here snarl about older players.

[ACBerb]

What, old players... what are they good for? Who scored for Germany this game again max?;)

[Ballack13]

Please note forum members:

If you play kids..you lose.
We have no chance in the world cup if inexperienced players like Sinkiwicz, Jansen, Mertesacker all play.

These guys need to have 4/5 years in the Bundesliga and 1/2 years in the Champions League.
People on here snarl about older players.

I disagree. Look at Euro 2004, Nowotny and Woerns in Central defense, they were unlucky to not give up 2-3 goals against Latvia!!!

Slow old defenders are not needed. Metzelder is young and experienced, once he gets back in form, things will change. Add Lahm to the left and hopefully Arne on the right, Should be a strong defense.

Problem is the team is lacking a destoyer in the midfield. Frings is similar to ballack and borowski. We need a Jeremies type player in their to disrupt the attack and take pressure off the defenders. Unfortunately I cant think of anyone who is this type of player.

I stick with shifting to 3-5-2.

[Super Pibe #7]

Problem is the team is lacking a destoyer in the midfield. Frings is similar to ballack and borowski. We need a Jeremies type player in their to disrupt the attack and take pressure off the defenders. Unfortunately I cant think of anyone who is this type of player.
hamman would be able to do that job

[jordankhamra]

I disagree. Look at Euro 2004, Nowotny and Woerns in Central defense, they were unlucky to not give up 2-3 goals against Latvia!!!

Slow old defenders are not needed. Metzelder is young and experienced, once he gets back in form, things will change. Add Lahm to the left and hopefully Arne on the right, Should be a strong defense.

Problem is the team is lacking a destoyer in the midfield. Frings is similar to ballack and borowski. We need a Jeremies type player in their to disrupt the attack and take pressure off the defenders. Unfortunately I cant think of anyone who is this type of player.

I stick with shifting to 3-5-2.

Young or old, it will not make much of a difference. The fact is that today's German players are not good. We get excited about player because we are looking for positive things but those talents would not be noticed in other countries. I have been watching the BL for the last 2-3 years trying to cathc a glimpse of the players that people rave off in this forum. Most of the times I end up wondering why are people getting excited as I don't see anything special. The only two talents I see are Ballack and Lahm. The Bundesliga is not competitive, German teams don't consistancy do well in Europe and most feorgin talent in Germany is average with a few exceptions, and most German players play at home. Where are these players going to getting the expierence and exposure if they play in a medicor league with medicor players all the time?

[ACBerb]

Is there enough time left?

[max morlock]

if we get our best team out and players are in top form-then we will have a chance.Mertesacker will need to become a man like Metzelder in 2002.

Kahn
Friedrich Metzelder Mertesacker Lahm
Deisler (Schneider) Frings Ballack Schweinsteiger
Klose Podolski

[Switchblade]

What, old players... what are they good for? Who scored for Germany this game again max?;)

Some 17 year old scored for Turkey :ninja They are good!

[TheNameOfTheG..]

Didnt watch the game.. friendy games are hard to comparing...........

[Gerry_BMG]

Great that I couldnt see it. :cool

[Gerry_BMG]

Some 17 year old scored for Turkey :ninja They are good!

this guy will be faboulus player one day. :bowing

[Gerry_BMG]

Media reports that Klinsmann went ape**** during halftime in the lockerroom. Klinsmann confirmed this.
In the Sunday-newspaper almost all players received a 6. Must have been a good game by most of them. :holy247
Deisler said they were affraid. When they are affraid in a friendly game what should happen when we play the WC on home soil where the pressure will be 100times as strong as there. :ninja

[TheNameOfTheG..]

Deisler said they were affraid. When they are affraid in a friendly game what should happen when we play the WC on home soil where the pressure will be 100times as strong as there. :ninja

Incredible statemant for foorballer :ninja

[max morlock]

Translation: kids = nerves..fear

God help us next summer

[Gerry_BMG]

Since there is no God (oh no, blasphemie :ninja) I hope on the well equipped bank account of the DFB. :drinkbeer

[Gerry_BMG]

Incredible statemant for foorballer :ninja
I didnt know you speak dutch. :drinkbeer You are the 8th wonder of the world, olidzka. :wub

[max morlock]

This fear thing...

Can you imagine a young Matthaeus or Effenberg saying "Oh no boss-I don't want to play-I'm scared" or any other German footballers of the past for that matter ?

This is Germany for fuks sake-the greatest country in the world, the driving force behind the new Europe (which the likes of Turkey are trying to scrape into).The home of the motor car, natural beer and Claudia Schiffer.
Other countries should be afraid of us and our history.

Have to agree about poor players.The 1990s were great and the 1970s.The 1980s were not so and we still got to two world cup finals.

Germany should be undefeated for years in football and we should be steam rolling teams.

Now I see why everyone is alcoholic on here.And why is Acberb so happy all the time ?

[elmubarak]

welcome to the sorrow club of german football

[Borussia Wolf]

Occasionally young players work out ok, as in Podolski, but you can't fill a team with kids on the international stage and expect to succeed. This is a ridiculous strategy by Klinsmann.

I saw the game and Germany were SHOCKING! And this isn't the first time.

Watch this forum on Thursday after the China game and a desperate 2-0 win, you'll all be believing that you have a chance of winning the World Cup, which will be laughable. I hope you get an easy draw in the group stages, cos the only three things you have got going for you are home advantage, Michael Ballack and Lukas Podolski. The rest are just pure ****!

[Gerry_BMG]

Probably the players know that the team is not good enough for a WC06 victory. I fear :ninja slowely the players realise it that just with happy-football Klinsmann style you wont become WorldChamp. And especially not with such a defense. I have to say that Sienkiewicz can become a good player. But to throw Wörns out of the team and have Sinkiewicz and Huth as defenders is no good decision by Klinsmann. How can a 20 year old who just has a dozen of BL games be a strong defender in the WC? This wont work. I like that Klinsmann uses many young players but without experience we wont win ****.

Now I see why everyone is alcoholic on here.And why is Acberb so happy all the time ?
I will start rehab next week. Until than, Prost :drinkbeer
And I think Acberb is so happy because he comes here during work. Maybe he loves to be at work. :cool

[Timonator]

I think you all need to calm down a little. Especially Borussia Wolf! ;) I saw the England - Austria game and your country didn't play good either and you want to win the WC too ;)

I still believe that we can win the WC and I won't change my opinion just b/c of a loss against Turkey! The team isn't at 100%...many player are still not fit or injured (Balla, Klose, Asamoah, Lahm, Görlitz...) It will be hard, but knowing our history anything is possible.

I better lose now than at the WC! I think we played sluggish and without passion. Maybe b/c they only played in front of 10 000 people...I don't know, but that's not an excuse, of course.

[TheNameOfTheG..]

I didnt know you speak dutch. :drinkbeer You are the 8th wonder of the world, olidzka. :wub

Neither do I :drinkbeer

I am sex-Borg atm - the resistence is futile! :wub

[TheNameOfTheG..]

Here is my opinion about Germany.

This German team has good quality, it has more quality than team from few years ago. There are few v good young players and few older player like Ballack, Kahn, Frings...
But this team has to many young players and young players are not developed persons yet. They lack experience and mentaly strength. Also I dont think Germany has good colective game (well,not many teamy have this :handbags ). MAybe it is Klinsis fault because he always changes the team, sometimes I have feeling he is lost in his combinations. If you have young players and you count on them then chose 11 players who will play all the time and who will get more experience because the WC is alredy knocking on the door.
3th thing, Germany lost strong mental profile of players like Effe, Basler, Lottar, Klinsi, Kohler... they were natural born winners, if you know what I mean. Deisler, unforunatly isnt, i think Podolski is! YOu have to got winners in team, players who belive and who will fight until last second and will not be afraid. Because football game is like war.
So, few leaders in team you have to got... maybe Ballack, KAhn, Lukas and someone else, so they can give mentaly strngth and belive to others. Also a good colective game (like Greece had at EC04). If Greece manage to won EC, it is pure evidence that quality isnt most important thing. Good colective game, maximum given by players, mental strength and belive in suces! A bit luck of course! Even Brazil needs luck.

[Borussia Wolf]

Here is my opinion about Germany.

This German team has good quality, it has more quality than team from few years ago. There are few v good young players and few older player like Ballack, Kahn, Frings...
But this team has to many young players and young players are not developed persons yet. They lack experience and mentaly strength. Also I dont think Germany has good colective game (well,not many teamy have this :handbags ). MAybe it is Klinsis fault because he always changes the team, sometimes I have feeling he is lost in his combinations. If you have young players and you count on them then chose 11 players who will play all the time and who will get more experience because the WC is alredy knocking on the door.
3th thing, Germany lost strong mental profile of players like Effe, Basler, Lottar, Klinsi, Kohler... they were natural born winners, if you know what I mean. Deisler, unforunatly isnt, i think Podolski is! YOu have to got winners in team, players who belive and who will fight until last second and will not be afraid. Because football game is like war.
So, few leaders in team you have to got... maybe Ballack, KAhn, Lukas and someone else, so they can give mentaly strngth and belive to others. Also a good colective game (like Greece had at EC04). If Greece manage to won EC, it is pure evidence that quality isnt most important thing. Good colective game, maximum given by players, mental strength and belive in suces! A bit luck of course! Even Brazil needs luck.

A very good post which more or less sums the situation up.

The collective game (teamwork and team-spirit) is something that Germany cannot work on if the team changes every second game. There isn't any one of us who can predict who will play for Germany in the first world cup game.

England also seem to be having a few problems with team work, but at least the foundations are there and the players know what they have to work on. German players haven't got a clue who will be playing alongside them in their next game so how the hell are you supposed to develop any team play?

[TheNameOfTheG..]

A very good post which more or less sums the situation up.

The collective game (teamwork and team-spirit) is something that Germany cannot work on if the team changes every second game. There isn't any one of us who can predict who will play for Germany in the first world cup game.

England also seem to be having a few problems with team work, but at least the foundations are there and the players know what they have to work on. German players haven't got a clue who will be playing alongside them in their next game so how the hell are you supposed to develop any team play?

Yes... thies are the words I was looking for :)

[Gerry_BMG]

Good post Oli plus your english is improving. :bruno:drinkbeer
Maybe player should read Sun Tzu or/and get mental training by Effenberg.

[TheNameOfTheG..]

Good post Oli plus your english is improving. :bruno:drinkbeer


Speaking with you on MSN till 6am my english has to rise in one big erection. :drinkbeer

[Gerry_BMG]

Speaking with you on MSN till 6am my english has to rise in one big erection. :drinkbeer

The video was great, wasnt it? :cool
Talking about getting erections, did you get my email to your .hr adress? :drinkbeer

[TheNameOfTheG..]

The video was great, wasnt it? :cool
Talking about getting erections, did you get my email to your .hr adress? :drinkbeer

Yes it was :ninja

Yes I did, it is vry nice :ninja I tried to write you back but someting isnt good with you mail addresse or mail box....

[bastian]

until 6am??? I think u guys have a msn affair, G-dude cant believe u r cheating on me , now im depressed , need a beer :drinkbeer :drinkbeer ;)

[max morlock]

Who-hey stop that horse before he leaves the stable

Let us not get carried away here people.

Greece 2004..Brazil 2002..Brazil 2005...not great teams.
In fact Brazil defensively looked terrible last summer.

Klinsis best team is
Kahn-Friedrich, Metzelder, Mertesacker,Lahm-Deisler,Ballack, Frings,Schweinsteiger-Klose, Podolski

Klinsi knows this and so do I.If this team is fit and in form we have a chance of winning the world cup.Whether it is fix or not the host team always advances to at least the quarter finals and then anything can happen especially with penalty kicks.
Test games and qualifying games mean nothing now to modern millionaire footballers.England (my tip) looked awful in most of their games but they still qualified.Form going into the tournament means nothing (look at Denmark 1992).
All you need is to play well in one month (seven games) and you are World Champions.
I look around and I see no great teams.I think football at the moment is on a low note.I see for instance Juve and Milan with the same ageing players as last season.Vieri and Figo are the only signings-hardly in their prime.

Football in 2005 has moved away from great individual players to very strong and good teams.Cheslea, Greece are best examples.This will give us a chance.

I am confident next summer that if we do not win then we will still play good and come close-maybe lose like heroes.

I am very confident for 2008 in Austria/Swiss.

[ACBerb]

Max I'm just still stoked from Bayer's big CL run in 01/02, that's why I'm so happy!:drinkbeer
If Klinsmann doesn't experiment with different and younger players what is to happen in the future, or if injuries strike the team before the WC?!?! He himself has said the last six months or so before the tournie he will have his team and stick with it. It's still a good idea to have young-ins with match practice who you can bring in just in case! Perhaps most of you are right we should just rely on old proven work horse's to play, howed that do in the last few major tournie's since '96 (except '02 which was maybe a bit of luck)? I am not to worried about next year.. I'm sure on home soil Germany will have a good outing, and things looks bright for the future which couldn't be said after Euro 96'!
P.S. Someone has to be the happy drunk in this forum!:cheers

[max morlock]

If I lived in the West Coast of Canada I'd be happy too!

What part of the West are you in AC ?

I was in Vancouver before-one of my fave cities

[ACBerb]

If I lived in the West Coast of Canada I'd be happy too!

What part of the West are you in AC ?

I was in Vancouver before-one of my fave cities

Near Vancouver about 45 mins east in the sticks so to speak (lived in Van City too, a few years back).
Oh and I've been through Pitts, and ya steel town isn't the prettiest but at least your Hockey club looks better this year!

[max morlock]

Not really my team-only going to school here.
I'm originally from Ireland-with half my family living near Saarbrucken.

[ACBerb]

Well then, here's top hopin' that FC Saarbrücken gets outta the BL2 relegation zone!:drinkbeer

[Gerry_BMG]

until 6am??? I think u guys have a msn affair, G-dude cant believe u r cheating on me , now im depressed , need a beer :drinkbeer :drinkbeer ;)
if you are bastian read (A) if you are Oliver read (B) dont dare to read the other message!!!!!!

(A) of course not, do you think I would cheat on the best lover alive?

(B) Oli, it was a great night yestday I will call you tomorrow.

[bastian]

if you are bastian read (A) if you are Oliver read (B) dont dare to read the other message!!!!!!

(A) of course not, do you think I would cheat on the best lover alive?

(B) Oli, it was a great night yestday I will call you tomorrow.


:laugh :laugh :drinkbeer

[MDsoccer]

Max-

Any relation to Max Morlock who played for Germany in the mid 20th century?