I'm starting to think Buffon is racist

[Javier Zanetti]

...I still remember a few years ago,back in Parma..he wanted to have the number 88...when asked why,he said some crap..something like:when a man complete a part in life or something...anyway we all know what the number 88 means(88 in geometry=HH-Heil Hitle*)
and today in the match against Empoli he refused to wear the anti-racism t-shirt

[Interista]

Don't believe that Buffon is a racist. If someone refused an anti-racist shirt doesn't mean that he is racist. I don't believe that wearing shirt like this will ban racism, it probably will make it worse in the stadiums. Surely the guy who have linked the number 88 with heil hitler has too much free time on his hands. Buffon is a great goalie and I really resent the idea to degenerate someone like him on someones crazy suspicions without evidence.

[Javier Zanetti]

Don't believe that Buffon is a racist. If someone refused an anti-racist shirt doesn't mean that he is racist. I don't believe that wearing shirt like this will ban racism, it probably will make it worse in the stadiums. Surely the guy who have linked the number 88 with heil hitler has too much free time on his hands. Buffon is a great goalie and I really resent the idea to degenerate someone like him on someones crazy suspicions without evidence.
It wasn't like...linked!...it's well known that 88 means Heil Hitle®

[kharbana]

Well i don't know if he is racist or not..

But today is had a lot of doubt in the game....and plus the very bad defense that we have now...we have a crap defense...so about racist or not i don't know i hope no....anyway is his life and that's it....

Byez

[Interista]

it's well known that 88 means Heil Hitle®

Guess I'm a bit native then since I clearly ddn't know that. Still don't believe that Buffon is a racist. :rolleyes:

[Zeman]

I dont think he is racist (he's a friend of Thuram from the Parma's age) but probably he votes to right paties seen that once he wrote on his shirt "Boia chi molla", an old fashist sentence

[Painless_Cry]

I hope's he's not...

[Interista]

So what are you suggesting Zeman, is Buffon is a colour-blind racist? ;)

[Javier Zanetti]

maybe he just doesn't have problems with black skinned people...but with jews

[Jere Markus]

Guess I'm a bit native then since I clearly ddn't know that. Still don't believe that Buffon is a racist. :rolleyes:

I also didn´t know that..

..people are finding things somewhere where nothing is to be found.

[Javier Zanetti]

Gianluigi Buffon:
Blamed at faking his diploma,when gratuating.
wore the number 88,and is considered to be a fascist after wearing a t-shirt of an italian party that says: ''death to the surrenders''
refused to go to the army and preffered taking social services in which he worked with narcomans

[Jere Markus]

Here´s the lynch mob!!

Helping people with problems (junkies) is a racist thing? Isn´t it more racist to learn to kill other people? (I´ve been to the army myself for 1 year, it´s bs)

Wearing 88 says nothing. How about wearing 00 - means you support Chelsea who have won 0 since year 0?

Wearing a t-shirt? You are giving way too much weight on some t-shirts ("not wearing an anti-r t-shirt" = racist).

I can blame my colleague for faking his diploma.. does that mean he did it? Somebody can also say Chelsea.. err, I ment Barca, are winners - does that make them winners?

I´m falling into prejudice. Innocent until proven otherwise.

[Javier Zanetti]

he wasn't only blamed...he did fake it :D

[Interista]

Imagine Buffon having an diploma, that would make it even more difficult to pass him ;)

[Striker]

refusing to wearing an anti-racism shirt is such a bad attitude.. and even I in Brazil know that 88 is Heil Hitler.. so maybe there is something there

[Painless_Cry]

hmmm no :(

[Fins Prompte]

I never knew 88 referred to hitler, LINDROS ALERT!!!!,pls explain that one?

Anyways, I have to ask, when did he refuse to wear the shirt, before or after a game? If it was before, maybe he did not want it to affect his mentality, because us goal keepers are wierd in that we follow a routine and dont want to do something that affects it, especially like wear a shirt during a match as well.. However, if it was after a game, then that is a sad thing to do.

[ash]

I think it's based on H being the 8th letter of the alphabet, so HH, as in Heil Hitler would be 88. In Britain there is a nazi group called Combat 18, and the 18, in alphabetical terms, stands for A.H. or Adolf Hitler. Bit sad, really.
As for Buffon, if he's not racist, there's no crime in being a bit right wing

[Fins Prompte]

so my initials are 231 ! What will these losers think of next. Sad, let's salute a pussy who took his own life because he did not want to lose!

Still curious about the shirt? before, during or after the match?

[Jere Markus]

he wasn't only blamed...he did fake it :D

I forgot, he´s ITALIAN!! :salute

so my initials are 231 ! What will these losers think of next.

what if somebody´s birthday is 8th of August.. is he the next Hitler?

[Killah]

I can blame my colleague for faking his diploma.. does that mean he did it? Somebody can also say Chelsea.. err, I ment Barca, are winners - does that make them winners?

Or Even Arse :USA_Blue

[Interista]

Arsenal gains more points then Barcelona and "oops-we-lost-again-points Inter together :rolleyes:

But then again if Barca and Inter were in the EPL we also would win easily

[Killah]

Arsenal gains more points then Barcelona and "oops-we-lost-again-points Inter together :rolleyes:

But then again if Barca and Inter were in the EPL we also would win easily
:laugh , Arsenal only managed reach the quarters of the champions league so far, something that Barça managed in the worst season in their history :ph34r:

[Interista]

Really I still haven't figured out how you could beat us with 3-0. Even Kluivert was impressive

[Killah]

Really I still haven't figured out how you could beat us with 3-0. Even Kluivert was impressive

I guess Kluivert showed that bit of red and black still in him somewhere ;)

[Interista]

Not long ago, that is Kluivert was still with the rossoneri, Inter frequently won the Milan derby. Ah that were good times. I remember how Juventus beat their asses with 6-0 and the week later Inter won with 3-0. Wonderfull times :laugh

[Jere Markus]

:laugh , Arsenal only managed reach the quarters of the champions league so far, something that Barça managed in the worst season in their history

at least Arsenal is in CL

every season.. this and next.. can you say the same about Barca?

and there is no reason to compare Arsenal to Chelsea/Barcelona who both use tons of money and still stay mediocore.. and change managers as often as J-Lo changes his man.. Their players are moneyhungry mercenaries who don´t care about the club, pride or footy - only about money.

Arsenal sticks to Wenger, wins games and doesn´t spend much (Reyes the exception; last two years we bought Cygan 2.5m and Lehmann 1.5m). Arsenal players are unselfish (Henry the assists king), loyal (Vieira) and respect their manager/club 100%

[Killah]

at least Arsenal is in CL

every season.. this and next.. can you say the same about Barca?

and there is no reason to compare Arsenal to Chelsea/Barcelona who both use tons of money and still stay mediocore.. and change managers as often as J-Lo changes his man.. Their players are moneyhungry mercenaries who don´t care about the club, pride or footy - only about money.

Arsenal sticks to Wenger, wins games and doesn´t spend much (Reyes the exception; last two years we bought Cygan 2.5m and Lehmann 1.5m). Arsenal players are unselfish (Henry the assists king), loyal (Vieira) and respect their manager/club 100%

1/ Yes

2/ Tons of Money, your record signing is higher than ours :USA_Blue and if we only get good players by spending money why did you knick our youngster ?

3/ That's why half the squad took a paycut when we were in trouble, Ronaldinho agreed to a lower wage than what man u were offering

4/ Cygan and Lehmann :laugh :laugh

5/ would you stuck with wenger if he wasn't getting results, thought not

6/ If Vieira is so loyal, why did he want to be informed if real or Juventus made a bid for him

7/ Barcelona players that came out of the youth , iniesta,Xavi,Gerard,Sergi,Ferrer,Abelardo,Guardiol a,Reina

Arsenal youth Cole,Taloyr, Pennant ?

:laugh

[Interista]

I think Jere hit a nerve :laugh

But he does have a point. Barcelona's biggest mistake was letting Ronaldo and Bobby Robson go and hire a man like van Gaal. He didn't respected the culture of Barca and bought several Dutch players for millions. I saw a similar thing with Inter a few years ago. At a moment there were only 2 Italian players in the first squad! That's not how it should be. Cuper (and Tardelli)finally made Inter an Italian club again. I don't think Rijkaard will do the same to Barcelona.

[Killah]

I think Jere hit a nerve :laugh

But he does have a point. Barcelona's biggest mistake was letting Ronaldo and Bobby Robson go and hire a man like van Gaal. He didn't respected the culture of Barca and bought several Dutch players for millions. I saw a similar thing with Inter a few years ago. At a moment there were only 2 Italian players in the first squad! That's not how it should be. Cuper (and Tardelli)finally made Inter an Italian club again. I don't think Rijkaard will do the same to Barcelona.


1/ we couldn't do anything about Ronaldo, he was talking to Inter around January team, you broke his release clause and bought him

2/ It wasn't such a mistake getting rid off Bobby Robson, he was 65, the biggest mistake was getting rid off Cruyff, after cruyff left he still left the cruyffism symbol in the hearts of all fans, that's why even after winning games 6-0 people weren't happy because the spectacle wasn't there and at the same time Ajax under van Gaal played some of the best football in europe (70% Posession , pinning opponents in their own half) but you're right he didn't respect tradition of Barça which got the fans on his back despite his record, 2 league titles in 3 years) Wenger has managed that much in treble the time but at Arsenal wenger has it easy, buying all the french players he can but fans don't care since a lack of tradition at arsenal, if Wenger came to Barça , he would end up as van Gaal, as far as tactical discipline goes, van Gaal was head and shoulders above Wenger although Wenger has better man management skills, although Cruyff is head and shoulders above both of them

[Jere Markus]

at least nobody considers Wenger racist - he uses players of all races (Inamoto) and colour (Parlour).. how about the Dutch managers?

..or Italian!!??

[Killah]

at least nobody considers Wenger racist - he uses players of all races (Inamoto) and colour (Parlour).. how about the Dutch managers?

..or Italian!!??

Cruyffs XI at barcelona

---------------------------- Zubi-------------------------
Ferrer---------Koeman--------------Nadal--------Sergi----
Laudrup-------Guardiola------------Bakero-----Beguiristain
----------------Stoitchkov----Romario--------------------

Koemans XI at Ajax

---------------------Lobont--------------------
Trabelsi------Grygera--------Escude----Maxwell-

----Pienaar---------Galasek--------Mitea-------

----Sonck----------Zlatan----------VDV--------

and im sure you know aout Ranieri at Chelski :USA_Blue

[Zeman]

at least nobody considers Wenger racist - he uses players of all races (Inamoto) and colour (Parlour).. how about the Dutch managers?

..or Italian!!??
this one is a bit stupid...

sorry

[giallorosso]

Agree with Zeman...that isn't a really good argument Jere, compared to other ones i'm used to read from you in discussions.

Besides that i think it's simply ridiculous to call Buffon racist.
If he's Pro with Forza Italia or even worse Forza Nuova it's his opinion, would be sad from my point of view but it's noones business.

Unfortunatly there are lot's of people in Italy, as Zeman could tell you! Near Modena(as far as i know it's around that area) there's even a winery that sell their bottles with the emblem of "il duce" Mussolini and "Adolf H." :rolleyes:

[Jere Markus]

it´s only that there have been accusations (like this one on Buffon - are they all (accusations) "ridiculous" and "stupid"?) that there is RACISM in Italian leagues, players and also in Dutch league..

..somebody else than me made these claims, I´m just asking if they are true? Somebody has been talking about anti-semitism in relation to Ajax, am I right? Or about racist remarks by Lazio players?

And somebody told me that in Spain there was bananas flying onto the pitch few years ago when a black player was introduced.. am I making this all up?

..like people are making up things about Buffon?

[Javier Zanetti]

I know that Ajax have jewish routes and that there are a lot of jews at amsterdam,and that they have an ultra-jewish-fan group..and of course they carry Israeli flags in the Arena....and that Ajax's rival,Feyenoord..carry Palestinian flags..just as response...and sing anti israeli songs like:Hamas Hamas the jews to the gas...simply sad :< I always hated feyenoord for that

[Jere Markus]

in short: I was not making it up?

and the thread has "racism" label innit - and people were starting to talk more about Barcelona than racism, thus it was logical to refer to racism in Italian league (Buffon) and other racist situations.. I just turned the conversation from Chelsea to racist teams/managers, that is stupid?

[Zeman]

in short: I was not making it up?

and the thread has "racism" label innit - and people were starting to talk more about Barcelona than racism, thus it was logical to refer to racism in Italian league (Buffon) and other racist situations.. I just turned the conversation from Chelsea to racist teams/managers, that is stupid?
It was you to turn the topic about Barcelona and Chelsea and so on...
Racism is everywhere (in England and in Lapponia too) but I personally dont think Buffon is racist

[Interista]

Oh dear I just remember my childhood with you signature of Terence Hill and Bud Spencer. Together they made some of the best comical action scenes. I especially liked the film were he was a padre (Don Camillo or something) and always made fun of this communistic mayor. In that final football match Hill used one or two players of Inter if I remember correctly. Great film, haven't seen it for years. At least on the movei screen, the blue won from the red. :laugh

Sorry guys I'll return to the topic. I never heard about a coach who was racist. Besides I don't think racism is within the clubs, problems are always caused by some small croud of "die hard" fans.

[giallorosso]

Oh dear I just remember my childhood with you signature of Terence Hill and Bud Spencer. Together they made some of the best comical action scenes. I especially liked the film were he was a padre (Don Camillo or something) and always made fun of this communistic mayor. In that final football match Hill used one or two players of Inter if I remember correctly. Great film, haven't seen it for years. At least on the movei screen, the blue won from the red. :laugh

Yeah me too!
Did you know that Bud Spencer won a medal in swimming for Italy at the Olympics?

I remember also "Don Camillo and Peppone", especially this football tournament in one movie.
Camillos team was wearing lazio colours...and Peppone's comunist boys the colours of milan! :laugh
I loved the scene were both teams were beating eachother up...wouldn't mind if that happened in Serie A aswell!

The original "Don Camillo" with Fernandel was WAY BETTER i have to say...

[Interista]

I haven't seen the original film ,and to be honest I never heard of Fernandel. As child I really liked Hill and Spencer's film but there was also this comical Frenchman with blond curly hair who I liked. Never could remember his name. He played frequently with Gerard Depardieu. One of his film was were he wore two different shoes and were he had all the bad luck in the world (perhaps he was a Nerazzurri). That Italian idiot Roberto Bernini or something who have won an oscar has copied a lot of his moves and jokes. Sorry it's really hard for a Dutch to remember all these difficult French and Italian names. It's already hard to spell my gf back name right

[giallorosso]

The french blond guy you mean is called Pierre Richard! :)
Roberto Begnini(who is a great actor in my opinion, born in Toskana as far as i know) won the oscar for "La vita è bella" - "Life is beautifull".
He also did a movie about "Pinocchio" some time ago...

I knew we could turn this Juve thread into something usefull if given us time and oportunities :laugh

[Interista]

That's the one. Still remember that face of his. He could look so incredible dumb :laugh. Hill-Spencer and Richard-Depardeu really were two amazing couples in 70's and 80's with a lot of chemistry. Pity that both weren't so popular in Holland as they were in Germany. There were times that RTL Television had these four man almost every week on television, but somehow they have disappeared for average comics likes Chevy Chase and that irritating Ernest figure. Really Germans do not have humour (just hope my Opa is not reading this).

There are not much movies of Begnini who are on television. I once saw a movie were he was a Jewish waiter who together with his son was sent to a concentration camp by the Nazis. He really made a nice and sometimes funny movie of such an depressing subject. In the other film he really reminded me of Richard. He always walked on scaffold to walk to his room. Really a funny guy even though he was kinda disappointing in Asterix and Obelix, Missing Egypte (but Monica Belucci made up for it). See that's a name I can remember.

knew we could turn this Juve thread into something usefull if given us time and oportunities

Considering that I as Moderator changed the topic to something complety different than soccer I really hope the admin's don't see this. :laugh

But then again the other Mod is far away in Malta and thereby has left this room to an Interista, you have to expect things liuke this

Can't come on MSN since I'm again using my older laptop (for my defence if Mark and Co are watching this)

[giallorosso]

There are not much movies of Begnini who are on television. I once saw a movie were he was a Jewish waiter who together with his son was sent to a concentration camp by the Nazis. He really made a nice and sometimes funny movie of such an depressing subject.
This movie is " La vita è bella!" :USA_Blue
And his wife in the movie is his real wife aswell.
Nicoletta Braschi!

What happend to Glenn anyway? I never see any posts of him these days? Hope he is doing alright...

Milan still 0-0! Would make my day if it stays like that!

[Interista]

Official warning No MILAN talk in a Juventus room please unless Siena scores ;) Milan has a own room which I try to avoid as much as possible.

Sorry Oliver I simply can't remember all these difficult titles. Italian aswell as French are not so logical for a Dutchman as German. Really like European films they are more orginal then the American films but unfortunatelly most of my countrymen doesn't seem to think so. Fortunately Cobra 11 made it so I still have hope for them. And tatort isn't anymore what is supposed to be after Tanner and Schimaski.

I also haven't seem Glenn for a long time. He is busy with his band. Don't no why because he already has a fiancee. Perhaps you are permitted to have more girls in Malta. His last post had to do with posting women breasts in the sanctuary so I guess he doesn't have too much success with his band yet.

[Dan_Nedved]

If he's fascist than that woulld be another reason to like him, that would set him apart from the cowardness and imposed " cultural" integration nonsense that reigns supreme in the population of the old Europe of these days.

[Zizou]

1) Buffon is not racist. He had chosen 88 as a number because in 88 there are 4 circles representing 4 balls. So it was his way of saying I can save 4 balls at the same time.

2) I didn't hear anything about such an incident. Where did you hear about this Zanetti? I saw the game and didn`t notice it...and players have to wear those shirts so they cannot refuse it.

3) Dan Nedved what the **** are you talking about? We don't want racists on this board.

4) interista and giallorosso how dare you turn this juve forum into a filthy inter and roma foru, :P

[Interista]

4) interista and giallorosso how dare you turn this juve forum into a filthy inter and roma foru, :P

We didn't turn this into a Inter-Roma thread, more of a Richard, Hill, Spenser, Begnini thread. When I saw Zeman's signature I couldn't help myself anymore. :rolleyes:

[Dan_Nedved]

Zizou I don't require a special permit to write here. As long as the message stays logical it HAS to be allowed regardeless of the opinions on it.

[giallorosso]

If he's fascist than that woulld be another reason to like him, that would set him apart from the cowardness and imposed " cultural" integration nonsense that reigns supreme in the population of the old Europe of these days.

How many times have you been here to "old europe"?

[FCBfurimmer]

La vita bella was realy nice movie... And how the main character made up a game for his son. When you get 1000 points, you get your own tank... Simpy genius. And that greeting; Bon Giorno Principesa". I must say I cried watching it...

Buffon a racist?? Everyone is a racist. Would you like your only daughter marrying a black man? And iamgine living in a small town or in in a willage?? It doesnt work. In bigger cities it´s fine, but in smaller places it´s unliveble!!

[Fins Prompte]

Buffon a racist?? Everyone is a racist. Would you like your only daughter marrying a black man? And iamgine living in a small town or in in a willage?? It doesnt work. In bigger cities it´s fine, but in smaller places it´s unliveble!!


Sorry but that's not right (not saying it does not happen). It comes down to what the person is like from the inside and not the outside. Color means nothing to me and neither race, religion or ethnicty. I am an arab and I am engaged to a Mexican woman and her family loves me because they got to meet me and see me and my family loved her just as much. Her mom is Part italian as well. I would not have a problem with my daughter marrying anyone based on their color, but based on how they treat her and if they can provide for her.

Wish people would open up theirs minds a bit. 2004 and we still behave like nothing has changed.

[Javier Zanetti]

Yeah Ibes your'e right...
Race Religion Gender or sexuall prefences(:D)
don't mean sh!t to me...
it just depends on the inside

[sallyinzaghi]

I loved La Vita e Bella! Made me cry
I don't think Buffon is racist. He seems to nice for it. But then again, looks can be deceiving...

Darn, why do Interistas have the best banners?

[Legendinho]

"Arsenals record signing higher than Barcas"

Is this true??? Surely not

[Killah]

"Arsenals record signing higher than Barcas"

Is this true??? Surely not

if reyes clause are fulfilled, his fee will be higher than Saviola

[Legendinho]

Didnt Barca pay £25m for Overmars? Or was that for Petit aswell?

[Zeman]

How much Barcelona paid Rivaldo?

[Killah]

rivaldo £16-17million
overmars, about 20, with 7 for petit
Ronaldinho about 20 aswell
Saviola approx 21

[Zeman]

rivaldo £16-17million


I've found this stuff about most expensive transfers (its updated at 2000 and its in Italian lire), puttng it in Euro Rivaldo was paid aproximatly 28 millions Euro

1) Crespo (2000/Parma-Lazio) 110 Miliardi
2) Vieri (1999/Lazio-Inter) 90
3) Batistuta (2000/Fiorentina-Roma) 70
4) Anelka (1999/Arsenal-Real Madrid) 65
5) Denilson (1997/San Paolo-Betis) 63
6) Rivaldo (1997/Deportivo-Barcellona) 55
7) Vieri (1998/Atletico-Lazio) 50
8) Ronaldo (1997/Barcellona-Inter) 48
9) Shevchenko (1999/Dinamo Kiev-Milan) 45
10) Montella (1999/Sampdoria-Roma) 40
11) Shearer (1996/Blackburn-Newcastle) 35,6
12) Vieri (1996/Juventus-Atletico) 34
13) Ronaldo (1996/Psv Eindhoven-Barcellona) 30.

[Killah]

yes, thats abt 166-17 million pounds

[Interista]

I've found this stuff about most expensive transfers (its updated at 2000 and its in Italian lire), puttng it in Euro Rivaldo was paid aproximatly 28 millions Euro

5) Denilson (1997/San Paolo-Betis) 63
6) Rivaldo (1997/Deportivo-Barcellona) 55
8) Ronaldo (1997/Barcellona-Inter) 48

You gotta be kinding. Ronaldo was way better than Denilson and Rivaldo and he was the cheapest of this three? Barcelona really made an awesome deal, they spend most their profit on Ronaldo on one single player to let him leave for free a few years later. Really good business, even Moratti can learn something from Barca. :laugh

[Killah]

You gotta be kinding. Ronaldo was way better than Denilson and Rivaldo and he was the cheapest of this three? Barcelona really made an awesome deal, they spend most their profit on Ronaldo on one single player to let him leave for free a few years later. Really good business, even Moratti can learn something from Barca. :laugh

5 years, moratti will be doing the same with vieri :salute

[The Magician]

Buffon is not a RACIST he is a top class goalkeeper

[juve890]

Buffon said in a interwiev that he wanted 88 because it looked like 2 footballer

[Michael_Melka]

I think Buffon isn't a racist !!!!!!