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[Distant Voices]

I hope Rangers and celtic are ashamed of themselves.

They have done nothing for Scotland and Scottish football for a decade now.
Too many mercenary foreigners.

When Stuttgart played Rangers-Rangers had more Germans in their team than Scots. :nono

Now you see the rewards.

[Beckham23Madrid]

Hahahahahahaha stupid jocks went mad saying how they were great and how historic it will be when they beat the Dutch in Amsterdam!
Well what happened, you got smashed did you hear me S-M-A-S-H-E-D
and im loving it!!!!

[JC_The_Atheist]

i'm an Aberdeen fan so have no loyalty what so ever towards the old firm but its certainly not their fault the Scotland team have been so poor. Its not up to club sides to play nationals of their own country,they are looking out for themselves and thats the way it should be. If their were enough good Scottish players then they would make it in the Rangers and Celtic sides. Stop calling foreigners mercenaries,what are you living in prehistoric times or something. Football is a job for players and they can join any club they want through free trade. Foreigner imports has increased the standard of Scottish football its the Scottish born players that have let everyone down in past years because they have not been good enough. If you want to know why theirs not enough good Scottish players coming through compared to the past you need to look at the two main ways great players are produced,great facilities and coaching and kids growing up playing football on the street. Scotland's standard of living has obviously increased some what over the years so no longer can we rely on poor kids from rough neighbourhoods becoming great players so its down to the facilities. Rangers have a great facility so in reality they are probably doing more than most in creating good Scottish players obviously for their own self interests which is obviously the way they should see it.

[CelticBhoy]

Congratulations to the Holland team, class told I'm afraid :( Just too many good players against our ordinary ones, it could have been a humiliation if Holland had not let up.

Sometimes 100% effort and heart are not enough.

[CelticBhoy]

Hahahahahahaha stupid jocks went mad saying how they were great and how historic it will be when they beat the Dutch in Amsterdam!
Well what happened, you got smashed did you hear me S-M-A-S-H-E-D
and im loving it!!!!


What did you expect us to say before the game :rolleyes:

[Blue]

Sometimes 100% effort and heart are not enough.


Sad but true bud

[CelticBhoy]

i'm an Aberdeen fan so have no loyalty what so ever towards the old firm but its certainly not their fault the Scotland team have been so poor. Its not up to club sides to play nationals of their own country,they are looking out for themselves and thats the way it should be. If their were enough good Scottish players then they would make it in the Rangers and Celtic sides. Stop calling foreigners mercenaries,what are you living in prehistoric times or something. Football is a job for players and they can join any club they want through free trade. Foreigner imports has increased the standard of Scottish football its the Scottish born players that have let everyone down in past years because they have not been good enough. If you want to know why theirs not enough good Scottish players coming through compared to the past you need to look at the two main ways great players are produced,great facilities and coaching and kids growing up playing football on the street. Scotland's standard of living has obviously increased some what over the years so no longer can we rely on poor kids from rough neighbourhoods becoming great players so its down to the facilities. Rangers have a great facility so in reality they are probably doing more than most in creating good Scottish players obviously for their own self interests which is obviously the way they should see it.

Remember Celtic have tried to copy Ajax in their kids football schooling for the last few years. We did not "facilities" in the past and still turned out players, kids nowadays have a huge choice of recreations, sport is not always a automatic choice as I have found out, I agree when we have kids that want to play football then we need good management ( Including facilities) of them to maximise their talents.

We cannot blame the present team, it's the best we have.

[JC_The_Atheist]

Remember Celtic have tried to copy Ajax in their kids football schooling for the last few years. We did not "facilities" in the past and still turned out players, kids nowadays have a huge choice of recreations, sport is not always a automatic choice as I have found out, I agree when we have kids that want to play football then we need good management ( Including facilities) of them to maximise their talents.

We cannot blame the present team, it's the best we have.


yeah i know but Rangers and Celtic are not to blame. Kids dont all want to play football anymore because we got computers,tv etc. Just replying to that idiots post that its neither the old firms fault nor foreigners.

[Scottyboy]

JC, your 1st post was spot on. I doff my cap to you

[CelticBhoy]

Sad but true bud

Yup, really felt for the guys tonight, they gave everything.

[Fins Prompte]

Tough day. I don't blame Celtic nor Rangers but that talk about them entering the english league should be on hold. The loss of that defensive midfielder sure did prove to be a vital one. Keep your heads up though, you are not that far from rebuilding since 1998. Close but don't give up just yet.

What happens to Vogts now and should McAllister be the new coach since he stopped playing for LIverpool and heard he was coaching somewhere or is there someone more suited for the job?

[Beckham23Madrid]

Yup, really felt for the guys tonight, they gave everything.

Whatch the Rugby World Cup Final on Saterday and you will see the next big sporting nation 'England' take a well deserved World Cup, which will be followed up by winning Euro 2004 next year!

[NewYorkCelticBhoy]

First of all, between Douglas, Gould, Ross, McNamara, Ferguson, McCann and Miller the OF was pretty well represented.

Secondly, sometimes you just get horsed. Especially when it's the #6 team vs. the #50 team in the world.

Berti has achieved his goal for this year, making the playoffs. With our young squad, I could see us qualifying for the World Cup group stages in two years' time.

I just can't help but think that things would have been better today with Lambert and Dailly on the field.

[JC_The_Atheist]

Gary McAllister is at Coventry and they are currently mid table. He might be a good choice as i am not happy with Berti as manager,i want a Scottish manager. I think if the players obviously have to be nationalists of their country then so should the manager and the coaching staff. Vogts seems a nice guy and that and he has improved things slightly but i think we need to give the job to a Scotsman. Scotland has a great record for producing great managers,Stein,Shankly and of course the most successful manager in history Sir Alex Ferguson so surely we could find someone for the job.

[JC_The_Atheist]

Ferguson, McCann and Miller

none of them play for the Old firm,lol

[CelticBhoy]

Whatch the Rugby World Cup Final on Saterday and you will see the next big sporting nation 'England' take a well deserved World Cup, which will be followed up by winning Euro 2004 next year!


Oops , we have a agent provocateur or loony on our hands here :laugh

[NewYorkCelticBhoy]

BTW England is sh*t. The team, the country, the concept. everything.

F*cking Act of Union. Big mistake.

Beckham is a c*nt

[NewYorkCelticBhoy]

none of them play for the Old firm,lol
They used to :nono

[JC_The_Atheist]

BTW England is sh*t. The team, the country, the concept. everything.

F*cking Act of Union. Big mistake.

Beckham is a c*nt

****sake,dont get into Scotland,Northern Ireland and England ****,its ******* pathetic.

[Beckham23Madrid]

I just can't help but think that things would have been better today with Lambert and Dailly on the field.


I really do not think so!

[JC_The_Atheist]

They used to

well they dont now,so you've just halfed your Old Firm representation.

[CelticBhoy]

Oops , we have a agent provocateur or loony on our hands here :laugh


We just got beat by a team with much more skill, it could have easily turned into a complete rout had they not taken it easy in the last 20 mins, we just have not brought up a generation of Skillful players, not sure why, maybe football is having competition from other pastimes, why do Holland have better players than us ?

[Beckham23Madrid]

BTW England is sh*t. The team, the country, the concept. everything.


Coming from someone who lives in the USA, Oh and 6-0 you cu*t hahahahaha

[JC_The_Atheist]

Beckham23Madrid

why dont you piss off you wee ****,want me to remind you of the score the last time Scotland and England met

England 0-1 Scotland at Wembley

[Celtic_Fan7]

Firstly, congratulations to Holland :clap

Oh boy, once again we build our hopes up, only to get flattened. Will we ever learn, we're just not good enough. Not quick enough, nor good enough technically.

Fletcher & McFadden give us some hope but i just don't see things greatly improving in the near future. Our U-21's were unlucky against Croatia, but honestly, how many of those youngsters showed the technique needed for International level???

Our boys gave 100% against a superior team but just weren't good enough.

Now what??? How can we improve our standard of player??? Maybe we should ship some Dutch kids over, with Scottish grand parents & let them play for us.

Other than that, i see very little hope. I'm a depressed Scot tonight.

Good luck Netherlands in Portugal!!!

[Beckham23Madrid]

why dont you piss off you wee ****,want me to remind you of the score the last time Scotland and England met

England 0-1 Scotland at Wembley

Which made it 2-1 over two legs, dont forget that it makes the result mean nothing, just like the 1-0 win you got over the Dutch!!!

6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0 6-0

[NewYorkCelticBhoy]

well they dont now,so you've just halfed your Old Firm representation.

The point the original poster was trying to make was that the OF doesn't support scottish players. The point I was trying to make is that 7 players in the squad were either current or former OF players.

My other point had nothing to do with Northern Ireland and everything to do with Bannockburn, Stirling Bridge, Culloden Moor and the fact that our uninvited guest Beckham23Madrid was a pr*ck.

Who the f*ck do you think "Proud Edward's Army is" anyway you ignorant fool?

Just because I am a Celtic fan you think everything has to be about Celtic or Northern Ireland. This is about SCOTLAND and being proud to be SCOTTISH and not from that huge pile of turd south of Hadrian's wall.

[Beckham23Madrid]

Just because I am a Celtic fan you think everything has to be about Celtic or Northern Ireland. This is about SCOTLAND and being proud to be SCOTTISH and not from that huge pile of turd south of Hadrian's wall.


The only good thing to come out of Scotland is the road to England!!!!!!!!

[CelticBhoy]

Firstly, congratulations to Holland :clap

Oh boy, once again we build our hopes up, only to get flattened. Will we ever learn, we're just not good enough. Not quick enough, nor good enough technically.

Fletcher & McFadden give us some hope but i just don't see things greatly improving in the near future. Our U-21's were unlucky against Croatia, but honestly, how many of those youngsters showed the technique needed for International level???

Our boys gave 100% against a superior team but just weren't good enough.

Now what??? How can we improve our standard of player??? Maybe we should ship some Dutch kids over, with Scottish grand parents & let them play for us.

Other than that, i see very little hope. I'm a depressed Scot tonight.

Good luck Netherlands in Portugal!!!

Not sure that we should be depressed about it, we are at our true level, the only way is up. We just need the right people making the correct decisions to improve the current setup. Do the dutch have more kids interested in football than Scotland, even allowing for the population ? or do they just train them better ?

[The Special One]

The only good thing to come out of Scotland is the road to England!!!!!!!!

yeah and we're still waiting for the only good thing to come out of your MOUTH, hhmmm, the words "bye, i am leaving as i am a nob" seem satisfactory

BTW, i have been to scotland, (didn't stop long though), seemed a nice place

[JC_The_Atheist]

The point the original poster was trying to make was that the OF doesn't support scottish players. The point I was trying to make is that 7 players in the squad were either current or former OF players.

My other point had nothing to do with Northern Ireland and everything to do with Bannockburn, Stirling Bridge, Culloden Moor and the fact that our uninvited guest Beckham23Madrid was a pr*ck.

Who the f*ck do you think "Proud Edward's Army is" anyway you ignorant fool?

Just because I am a Celtic fan you think everything has to be about Celtic or Northern Ireland. This is about SCOTLAND and being proud to be SCOTTISH and not from that huge pile of turd south of Hadrian's wall.

well your slagging the english off which usually suggests your going into the old ignorant phase of being Scottish. Calling me an ignorant fool,well your the one slagging an entire nation off,you sure its me thats ignorant and i am well aware of who "proud Edwards army" is. Flower of Scotland is not officially Scotlands national anthem anyway so dont tell me about being Scottish,your so proud to be Scottish that you live in New York. You started talking about the union and slagging the English so forgive me for thinking your just another Celtic fan with a grudge against the English and Great Britain.

[Beckham23Madrid]

i have been to scotland, (didn't stop long though)


Dont blam you!

[CelticBhoy]

The only good thing to come out of Scotland is the road to England!!!!!!!!

Aye, yer no wanted here. pi$$ aff

[JC_The_Atheist]

Dont blam you!

you can start slagging Scotland off when you learn to spell a small word like "BLAME"

[NAC-BREDA]

Firstly, congratulations to Holland :clap

Oh boy, once again we build our hopes up, only to get flattened. Will we ever learn, we're just not good enough. Not quick enough, nor good enough technically.

Fletcher & McFadden give us some hope but i just don't see things greatly improving in the near future. Our U-21's were unlucky against Croatia, but honestly, how many of those youngsters showed the technique needed for International level???

Our boys gave 100% against a superior team but just weren't good enough.

Now what??? How can we improve our standard of player??? Maybe we should ship some Dutch kids over, with Scottish grand parents & let them play for us.

Other than that, i see very little hope. I'm a depressed Scot tonight.

Good luck Netherlands in Portugal!!!


Thanks mate.....Scotland really did make us worry after the first match.
Goodluck in the future.

[Beckham23Madrid]

you can start slagging Scotland off when you learn to spell a small word like "BLAME"

Sorry I forgot an E, people up Scotland are always dropping them hahaha

[JC_The_Atheist]

add grammar to your spelling woes

[CelticBhoy]

add grammar to your spelling woes

I’m beginning to believe this might actually be Beckham, sounds stupid enough :USA_Blue

[JC_The_Atheist]

LOL,you could be right.

[NewYorkCelticBhoy]

forgive me for thinking your just another Celtic fan with a grudge against the English and Great Britain.

You're forgiven :laugh

[Ross]

Beckham23Madrid, Rugby *hah* what's rugby?, I know that holland would have played yous off the park too so I'm not going to start anything

and as for you Rooting england, David Beckam is considered a forgeiner in Spain?! so I think you should stop ranting and raving about forgeiners playing for other teams

[Stevedox]

yeah and we're still waiting for the only good thing to come out of your MOUTH, hhmmm, the words "bye, i am leaving as i am a nob" seem satisfactory

BTW, i have been to scotland, (didn't stop long though), seemed a nice place

Well its nots that far a drive from Sunderland you sad mackem.

[Excelsior]

Thank you Celtic_Fan7 :clap

I was really surprised by our national team. Advocaat woke finally up (looking to the starting 11) and the players played with real passion, just the same thing you beat us with last Saturday. It has specially to do with the younger team, it was now a real team wich played with passion and with that you can't beat us, that's proved yesterday. Specially Wesley Sneijder was awesome and that kid is just 18!!!

[Ross420]

It was 6-0 but in all honesty it couldve been 7,8,9 or 10.

A total joke of a performance that reminded me why I stopped watching the National side a long time ago. Its for the best they got knocked out here, talking 3 heavy defeats at EC04 wouldve been even worse.

An another note I dont see Holland going very far at the finals. They have great individual talent but the team is worthless. As soon as they play someone 1/2 decent theyll get beaten.

[OrCristian]

Thanks mate! And a lot of respect for Scotland. Actually I think you showed us how to fight for it, how to give everything you have!

And uhm, England Europe 2004 winners? LOL!

[Red Devil]

Those of you who are regs in here know my views on Scottish Football. Third world stuff. And I note that someone else has said what I have preached all along. There are too many foreigners in Scotland footy for the national team to get anywhere. They only got that far on pride and sheers guts. Until Celtic and Rangers revert to home grown talent - and it is there - then scottish football is on the way down.

On the other side of the coin, I also believe that this will happen in England sooner or later. The kids are not coming through, except at United.

[Weebully]

We deluded ourselves that because of one good performance against a good side, that we could actually pull of the shock of all shocks and knock them out. We are poor (but improving), they are good (but not great). This result has been coming for a few years now, luckily then and not in Portugal. But that doesn't mean we should give up or turn our backs on them. Yes club comes first, but if you are a true Scot, then we need you to support the team.

[Weebully]

Those of you who are regs in here know my views on Scottish Football. Third world stuff. And I note that someone else has said what I have preached all along. There are too many foreigners in Scotland footy for the national team to get anywhere. They only got that far on pride and sheers guts. Until Celtic and Rangers revert to home grown talent - and it is there - then scottish football is on the way down.

On the other side of the coin, I also believe that this will happen in England sooner or later. The kids are not coming through, except at United.

There are 10 other teams in the SPL why is it down to Rangers and Celtic to produce players for the Scotland team? Surely if the Old Firm isn't interested in young Scottish talent, the other clubs should have their pick. That's like saying Arsenal, Man U, Liverpool and Chelsea should develop all the talent in England. The blame lies with the whole of the youth set up in Scotland, not with two clubs.

[Red Devil]

Agreed Weebully, but I used the "big two" as an example. When United entertained Rangers recently at OT; there was, when the final whistle went, 3 Scots on the field and one of them was in a red shirt. Unless the "big two" get it together, the others won't make all that much difference.

[redefining_form]

Scotland missed Dailly, defo, but I don't think he could have restricted the scoreline by much. Holland were way too good on the night, where everything clicked.

[Celtic_Fan7]

Thanks mate.....Scotland really did make us worry after the first match.
Goodluck in the future.

Thanks NAC-Breda, we'll need all the luck we can get.

Again, best of luck in Portugal :clap

[Celtic_Fan7]

Thank you Celtic_Fan7 :clap

No Problem :cool

I was really surprised by our national team. Advocaat woke finally up (looking to the starting 11) and the players played with real passion, just the same thing you beat us with last Saturday. It has specially to do with the younger team, it was now a real team wich played with passion and with that you can't beat us, that's proved yesterday. Specially Wesley Sneijder was awesome and that kid is just 18!!!

Yes, the Dutch players were very passionate, they wanted to win badly for themselves & their country. They were just too hungry & too good for our team, we got outclassed.

Your fans also backed your team well last night, don't you think??? A very colourful bunch aswell :USA_Blue

Sneijder in particular looks an awesome prospect. He scored a great goal, though he should have been denied the space he got but he struck the ball perfectly, great goal!!

From then on, it was pretty much all Holland, we never stood a chance!!!

[Celtic_Fan7]

Not sure that we should be depressed about it, we are at our true level, the only way is up. We just need the right people making the correct decisions to improve the current setup. Do the dutch have more kids interested in football than Scotland, even allowing for the population ? or do they just train them better ?

Our media/tabloids gave us hope, & sometimes i can't help but listen to the so-called experts, & they seemed very confident we could win, so i became very confident. When your team then takes a pasting, regardless of the fact we knew they were superior, it still hurts.

But your right, we have found our level. I just don't see that level changing to much in the next 5 years to be completely honest.

And yes, i believe the Dutch are trained better. Our kids still play percentage football, the Dutch kids play proper passing football from a young age, our youngsters hoof the ball up the park, if there's no available pass.

Total football VS Hoofing football, doesn't really compare does it???

[JC_The_Atheist]

Those of you who are regs in here know my views on Scottish Football. Third world stuff. And I note that someone else has said what I have preached all along. There are too many foreigners in Scotland footy for the national team to get anywhere. They only got that far on pride and sheers guts. Until Celtic and Rangers revert to home grown talent - and it is there - then scottish football is on the way down.

On the other side of the coin, I also believe that this will happen in England sooner or later. The kids are not coming through, except at United.

__________________

i watch Scottish football every weekend down through all the divisions and it has **** all to do with foreigners. Its the facilities or the lack of them. Good players will come through regardless because its always in the clubs best interests to bring through homegrown talent,saves them having to spend large transfer fees and the youngster who goes through the ranks at the club will always have more loyalty to the club than the purchasing of a player from another club mainly due to them being brought up at a club. Scotland failings are down to a lack of good facilities and training programs. English football isn't going to go down the route of Scotland for a start Scotland is a small nation of 5 million people while England is far higher populated. Top English clubs have their own training complexes and top quality youth academies. You'll probably find their is no more foreigners in Scotland in proportion than in any other country,of course the old firms have many foreigners but thats because theirs a lack of Scottish quality and its not clubs responsibilty to fuel the National side.

[Red Devil]

Our media/tabloids gave us hope, & sometimes i can't help but listen to the so-called experts, & they seemed very confident we could win, so i became very confident.

Never listen to experts!! Listen to your heart. There was so much said by Scottish players, fans and press after the first game, it was bound to inflame the Dutch players. If I had of been a betting man, I would have put a months wages on Holland winning the second leg.

[NewYorkCelticBhoy]

Good players will come through regardless because its always in the clubs best interests to bring through homegrown talent,saves them having to spend large transfer fees and the youngster who goes through the ranks at the club will always have more loyalty to the club than the purchasing of a player from another club mainly due to them being brought up at a club. Scotland failings are down to a lack of good facilities and training programs.

Agreed. And don't forget -- bigger local populations mean bigger support for more clubs, means more cash for more investment.

I trust that JC and Shed boy will agree that it's a shame that the Euro 2008 bid fell through, given the millions of pounds the Scottish Executive were preparing to invest in Aberdeen and Dundee.

the old firms have many foreigners but thats because theirs a lack of Scottish quality and its not clubs responsibilty to fuel the National side.

Both sides of the OF do have a bad track record of buying promising Scottish talent from other clubs and then leaving them to stagnate on the sidelines (of course they do that to promising foreigners too).

R**gers have set a good example in their investment in Murray Park but it will take time for the fruit of that investment to show.

[Shed Boy]

Firstly, i think we have nothing to be ashamed of. The players went into the ArenA under so much pressure and were just outplayed by a team that had much more to prove than ourselves. We have came leaps and bounds since that 2-2 draw with the Faroes. Berti always said that his aim was to lead Scotland to the 2006 world cup and that anything before that would be a bonus. Well I beleive he is going to fufilil his word and he is the one to lead the Scottish team.

JC you say we should have a Scottish manager managing the team, this is all very well in theory but who is going to take the job. Obviously Ferguson would be top choice but could you seriously see him taking the job. We have Berti so we should stick with him and support him and the team.

And Beckham character if you do not have anything constructive to say please refrain from saying anything. What has the English rugby team got to do with any of this? Nothing. If we were to be petty like this someone could have thrown in a wee comment about the English cricket team.

And everyone else please don't take the bait from this pondlife, he is only here to try and annoy us, lets not stoop to his level.

[Red Devil]

Firstly, i think we have nothing to be ashamed of.

Nobody can accuse Scotland of that my friend.

[JC_The_Atheist]

JC you say we should have a Scottish manager managing the team, this is all very well in theory but who is going to take the job. Obviously Ferguson would be top choice but could you seriously see him taking the job. We have Berti so we should stick with him and support him and the team.

Listen i dont care if its you that takes over instead of Berti at least your Scottish. If the players have to be Nationals of the country then so should the managers and coaches. I've not got anything against Berti as i have prefered him to Craig Brown but i just dont think its right having foreign managers managing international sides and that includes Sven managing England. I just want to stop all this crap in football with Scottish grandparents, its not right. People may praise the Republic of Ireland in recent years but barely anyone in their side has been Irish,for godsake their top scorer ever Tony Cascarino never even had the Irish blood he claimed to have. If you start letting non nationals playing for international sides then it just defeats the purpose of international football. I think it should only be your place of birth and your parents Nationality that determines what international side you can play for.

Mauro Camoranesi should not be playing for Italy.

[Azz]

Listen i dont care if its you that takes over instead of Berti at least your Scottish. If the players have to be Nationals of the country then so should the managers and coaches. I've not got anything against Berti as i have prefered him to Craig Brown but i just dont think its right having foreign managers managing international sides and that includes Sven managing England. I just want to stop all this crap in football with Scottish grandparents, its not right. People may praise the Republic of Ireland in recent years but barely anyone in their side has been Irish,for godsake their top scorer ever Tony Cascarino never even had the Irish blood he claimed to have. If you start letting non nationals playing for international sides then it just defeats the purpose of international football. I think it should only be your place of birth and your parents Nationality that determines what international side you can play for.

Mauro Camoranesi should not be playing for Italy.

I don't agree with any of this. The question of Nationality should be down to the individual if they can prove they have the blood link (I guess grandparent is far back enough though I wouldn't object to further) and/or they want to play for that country. I mean what would you do with a refuge or immigrant who was born abroad but came to a country as a child? If they had a desire to play for Scotland or whoever why not. What we don't want is people playing under a flag of convenience.
Coaching is another matter. Yes it would be great to have a Scottish manager, but in Britain the feeling is a manager or coach should prove himself for years in the leagues. That isn't so abroad where player often become national managers on retirement, hopefully Mark Hughes has proved this can be done for us too. Craig Brown and Roxburgh were rare examples of a Scottish manager without a top class pedigree, but we aren't going to attract SAF so there is no real other Scottish choice on that basis. So why not Berti?

[Red Devil]

I think a player should be born in the country he plays for unless down to parental level only. Look at Eire. You only had to prove you had two grandparents to play for them. AND by his own admittance, Tony Cascarino conned his way into the Eire setup by telling lies to the Irish FA about his great grandparents or something. I have more right to play for Eire than him.

[Weebully]

The ruling was only one grandparent, and I don't see whats wrong with that? Cascarino was adopted, which was why he wasn't eligiable for Ireland (not even sure he knew when first capped).
My granny was born in Belfast and moved to Glasgow as a girl, I've recently been on to the IFA about playing for Northern Ireland, I aint gonna play for Scotland, so why not play for somebody else if they want me and I can. Look at all these Reggae Boyz, they wouldn't have gone to Jamaica if they didn't have the chance to play in World Cups.

[NewYorkCelticBhoy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that in the first internationals there was no nationality requirement at all. They added it later (a good thing in my opinion) but it's not set in stone.

(Before you immediately start slagging me off, if I weren't logging on at work I would take the time to do the research to verify)

[JC_The_Atheist]

I don't agree with any of this. The question of Nationality should be down to the individual if they can prove they have the blood link (I guess grandparent is far back enough though I wouldn't object to further) and/or they want to play for that country. I mean what would you do with a refuge or immigrant who was born abroad but came to a country as a child? If they had a desire to play for Scotland or whoever why not. What we don't want is people playing under a flag of convenience.
Coaching is another matter. Yes it would be great to have a Scottish manager, but in Britain the feeling is a manager or coach should prove himself for years in the leagues. That isn't so abroad where player often become national managers on retirement, hopefully Mark Hughes has proved this can be done for us too. Craig Brown and Roxburgh were rare examples of a Scottish manager without a top class pedigree, but we aren't going to attract SAF so there is no real other Scottish choice on that basis. So why not Berti?

The Nationality should not be down to the individual its about what you are. Don Hutchison is not Scottish he's English,if you asked the man what he is he'd say he is English therefore the man should not wear the Scottish jersey. It makes a fool of the whole system when someone like Hutchison who never had any chance of playing for England should wear the Scottish jersey to expand his own career. Going back even as far as the grandparents is ridiculous,many times grandparents who you never even known. Your nationality is what you are and being Scottish i obviously have two national identities,Scottish first British second but nationality is what you are not just a choice to make to further your footballing career. As for the immigrant coming over he can get a British citizenship therefore making him British,that is obviously a bad case for Britain because seeing as we have British Citizenship it would probably be a logical step to have a British team(i dont want that and not suggesting it as an option.) Mauro Camoranesi is Argentinian,he was born and bred there and both his parents are Argentinian but because one of his grandparents is Italian he is allowed to play for the Italian team,why? He knows he is going to be a regular in the Italian side as they have a shortage of wide midfielders and its obviously more convenient for him because he plays for Juventus and the National boss can watch him more closely. You can have the desire to play for Scotland or not,you can pray to the Almighty lord but it dont make you Scottish. I want it changed to go only as far as your parents. Why not Berti,because he's German and not Scottish. Give the job to my Gran at least she's Scottish.

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I can't speak for Don Hutchison, but I'd have thought a lot of those who have played for Scotland down the years have done so with pride for their country where ever they were born. Look at somebody like Stuart McCall, as Yorkshire as flat caps and whippets before he came to Ibrox (and now he's left by the sound of him), but you can't say he wasn't a proud and passsionate Scot.