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Excelsior
Sep 27 2003, 01:40 PM
Fans call on 'Milton Keynes FC' to change their name
Wednesday 24th September 2003
Football fans from across the country have called upon Pete Winkelman to change the name of his football team and leave the name of Wimbledon to those fans who support a team based in South West London.
They also called upon the football world to recognise the fact that franchising had finally arrived in the English game, with a club stolen from its supporters at the behest of its owners and moved to where it could make a profit as part of a property deal.
Nicole Hammond, Chair of the Wimbledon Independent Supporters Association, said:
'Pete Winkelman is always going on about how proud he is of Milton Keynes but he hasn't changed the name of the team to reflect that. It's absurd and insulting to Wimbledon fans to see a team from London playing in Buckinghamshire.
'People have asked why Wimbledon fans can't 'move on', but whilst the club pretends to be something it's not, it's trading on a heritage it repudiated and the memories of supporters it has run away from.'
She added:
'WISA fought the move of the club to Milton Keynes and predicted the club's slide into administration long before it eventually did earlier this year, but our warnings were ignored by the FA Commission which sanctioned the move without ever properly examining the case for Milton Keynes.'
Fans formed their own club, AFC Wimbledon, last year and averaged 3008 fans for each game, which was higher than the average attendance at Selhurst Park where Wimbledon FC Ltd play 7 divisions higher up the football pyramid.
Since then, they have successfully found their club a home in South West London, something Wimbledon FC Ltd had argued was impossible and have raised enough money from a share issue to purchase the stadium at Kingsmeadow.
Division One supporters last year boycotted games at Selhurst Park in support of Wimbledon fans and against the concept of franchising in football, and are expected to do so again this year spelling bad news for the cash-strapped Milton Keynes outfit.
Malcolm Clarke, Chair of the Football Supporters' Federation, said:
'This summer, fans from 5 different clubs got friendly matches called off against the Franchise because they know what's right and what's wrong. That wasn't something Wimbledon fans asked them to do. The game's governing bodies and some pundits might think that this issue has been laid to rest, but they underestimate how much people think this is wrong for the game.'
Burnley fans have been offered half-price tickets at the North West theme park Camelot and many won't be endorsing franchised football by paying £25 to watch the game. WISA is not staging a formal protest, but whilst many Wimbledon supporters will be watching AFC Wimbledon play away at Bedfont in the Combined Counties League, some will be making the trip to Milton Keynes, where they will make their own protest against the theft of their club, and will be joined by fans from other clubs who will be showing their support for Dons fans.
Hammond concluded:
'It's a sad day for Wimbledon supporters, and a sad day for English football. We followed Wimbledon up through the leagues and all over the country. Milton Keynes stole that from us, and we want the name and the heritage that's rightfully ours.'
For further information contact:
Nicole Hammond (WISA Chair): chair@wisa.org.uk
Dave Boyle (WISA Press and Publicity Officer): publicity@wisa.org.uk
Steve Powell (FSF Development Officer): sl.powell@virgin.net
Issued: 24/09/2003 14:49:58
I think this is just great, fans from the whole country show their digust about this move. This is a sad day for English football.
But... Burnley is in the lead! :USA_Blue's_Smiley
Crewie
Sep 27 2003, 07:01 PM
I think you, and all the MK Dons haters, are nob heads.
Just bloody let it go. Go out side and get a life. They're a different club. AFC wimbledon fans made their new club so they should F****** stick with it instead of milking this crap every week. No one cares anymore.
Wimbledon were going into liquidation if they didn't move. They moved to MK because they felt they could get crowds big enough to survive on. Fine, they could go bust... but then again they could survive it all and come out the stronger.
60 odd miles isn't that far - i travel that distance to see Crewe at home every week.
mad_times
Sep 27 2003, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by Crewie@Sep 27 2003, 08:01 PM
I think you, and all the MK Dons haters, are nob heads.
Just bloody let it go. Go out side and get a life. They're a different club. AFC wimbledon fans made their new club so they should F****** stick with it instead of milking this crap every week. No one cares anymore.
Wimbledon were going into liquidation if they didn't move. They moved to MK because they felt they could get crowds big enough to survive on. Fine, they could go bust... but then again they could survive it all and come out the stronger.
60 odd miles isn't that far - i travel that distance to see Crewe at home every week.
Here Here :clap
Unlike the propaganda they're churning out says, AFC Dons are making themselfs very unpopular with alot of people by acting this way.
I really wish WIMBLEDON all the best at their new ground, i think they're going to be sucessful there. The kick off was delayed 15 mins because so many people wanted to get in to watch them.
But of course according to AFC dons, they should have been allowed to go bust rather than move.... what a brilliant solution :rolleyes:
Those idiots don't care about football at all if they want to see a club go bust, all bandwagon jumpers.
Manic Loop
Sep 27 2003, 09:04 PM
i dont like clubs moving. but i hate clubs going bust more
Stevedox
Sep 27 2003, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Crewie@Sep 27 2003, 08:01 PM
I think you, and all the MK Dons haters, are nob heads.
Just bloody let it go. Go out side and get a life. They're a different club. AFC wimbledon fans made their new club so they should F****** stick with it instead of milking this crap every week. No one cares anymore.
Wimbledon were going into liquidation if they didn't move. They moved to MK because they felt they could get crowds big enough to survive on. Fine, they could go bust... but then again they could survive it all and come out the stronger.
60 odd miles isn't that far - i travel that distance to see Crewe at home every week.
I'n not sure of the geography so this maybe wrong but take the point not its text.
Would you be happy if crewe moved to Manchester coz there were too many teams in Liverpool, then disown its fans then rename the club to Manky Ques?
I'm sure as hell would go nuts if Newcastle moved to Durham, changed its name and so forth, I'd kill whoever thought of the idea and then his family. :devil :devil :devil :devil
mad_times
Sep 27 2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by Stevedox+Sep 27 2003, 10:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Stevedox @ Sep 27 2003, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Crewie@Sep 27 2003, 08:01 PM
I think you, and all the MK Dons haters, are nob heads.
Just bloody let it go. Go out side and get a life. They're a different club. AFC wimbledon fans made their new club so they should F****** stick with it instead of milking this crap every week. No one cares anymore.
Wimbledon were going into liquidation if they didn't move. They moved to MK because they felt they could get crowds big enough to survive on. Fine, they could go bust... but then again they could survive it all and come out the stronger.
60 odd miles isn't that far - i travel that distance to see Crewe at home every week.
I'n not sure of the geography so this maybe wrong but take the point not its text.
Would you be happy if crewe moved to Manchester coz there were too many teams in Liverpool, then disown its fans then rename the club to Manky Ques?
I'm sure as hell would go nuts if Newcastle moved to Durham, changed its name and so forth, I'd kill whoever thought of the idea and then his family. :devil :devil :devil :devil [/b][/quote]
So say Newcastle were going to go bust, would you prefer that?
Crewie
Sep 27 2003, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Stevedox+Sep 27 2003, 10:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Stevedox @ Sep 27 2003, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Crewie@Sep 27 2003, 08:01 PM
I think you, and all the MK Dons haters, are nob heads.
Just bloody let it go. Go out side and get a life. They're a different club. AFC wimbledon fans made their new club so they should F****** stick with it instead of milking this crap every week. No one cares anymore.
Wimbledon were going into liquidation if they didn't move. They moved to MK because they felt they could get crowds big enough to survive on. Fine, they could go bust... but then again they could survive it all and come out the stronger.
60 odd miles isn't that far - i travel that distance to see Crewe at home every week.
I'n not sure of the geography so this maybe wrong but take the point not its text.
Would you be happy if crewe moved to Manchester coz there were too many teams in Liverpool, then disown its fans then rename the club to Manky Ques?
I'm sure as hell would go nuts if Newcastle moved to Durham, changed its name and so forth, I'd kill whoever thought of the idea and then his family. :devil :devil :devil :devil [/b][/quote]
I wouldn't mind IF we were on the verge of going under. I would rather see us relocate to stay afloat and have a team to support than us going bust leaving us with NO CHOICE but to be clubless. Luckily Crewe are led by a top class chairman and wouldn't get us into any sort of financial mess
Wimbledon have been heading this way since Sam Hammam sold their ground and tried to move them to Ireland(I think). He's now moved away and is spending the money he got from Plough Lane on Cardiff's new 30,000 seater stadium, which i personally think is more of a disgrace but that's a different matter.
OAFC2004
Sep 28 2003, 12:06 AM
I Hope MK Wimbledon suffer back to back relegations :clap :clap :clap
bluemoon32
Sep 28 2003, 05:27 AM
Originally posted by Crewie+Sep 28 2003, 12:27 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Crewie @ Sep 28 2003, 12:27 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Stevedox+Sep 27 2003, 10:12 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Stevedox @ Sep 27 2003, 10:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Crewie@Sep 27 2003, 08:01 PM
I think you, and all the MK Dons haters, are nob heads.
Just bloody let it go. Go out side and get a life. They're a different club. AFC wimbledon fans made their new club so they should F****** stick with it instead of milking this crap every week. No one cares anymore.
Wimbledon were going into liquidation if they didn't move. They moved to MK because they felt they could get crowds big enough to survive on. Fine, they could go bust... but then again they could survive it all and come out the stronger.
60 odd miles isn't that far - i travel that distance to see Crewe at home every week.
I'n not sure of the geography so this maybe wrong but take the point not its text.
Would you be happy if crewe moved to Manchester coz there were too many teams in Liverpool, then disown its fans then rename the club to Manky Ques?
I'm sure as hell would go nuts if Newcastle moved to Durham, changed its name and so forth, I'd kill whoever thought of the idea and then his family. :devil :devil :devil :devil [/b][/quote]
I wouldn't mind IF we were on the verge of going under. I would rather see us relocate to stay afloat and have a team to support than us going bust leaving us with NO CHOICE but to be clubless. Luckily Crewe are led by a top class chairman and wouldn't get us into any sort of financial mess
Wimbledon have been heading this way since Sam Hammam sold their ground and tried to move them to Ireland(I think). He's now moved away and is spending the money he got from Plough Lane on Cardiff's new 30,000 seater stadium, which i personally think is more of a disgrace but that's a different matter. [/b][/quote]
Nah, it's not Sam's money that is building Cardiff's new stadium,it's all the money from selling Ninian Park & selling the land around the new stadium to retailors thats financing the 30,000 stadium.
Dont get me wrong i dont like Sam much but if he wants to sell one club ( Wimbledon) & buy another with vastly more potential ( Cardiff ) whats wrong with that? All Cardiff fans know that Sam will walk away in the end with a pot full of money but they are just enjoying the ride for now.
Ross420
Sep 28 2003, 06:28 AM
If youre going to start a Franchise do it with a team people might actually be interested in :rolleyes:
Manic Loop
Sep 28 2003, 01:31 PM
but then who else would be a franchise. this is a 1 off as far as i will see. the very nature of wimbledon being homeless and destitute means they were classic fodder for this. every other club has homes or is not that destitute. i doubt we are going to see this great fear of every small club tapping up bigger towns with catchment areas to move. it simply wont happen. in america it can. they have big cities a long way apart. here its a short drive to the next team so its not as easy. people it simply wont happen again
Tom_NUFC
Sep 28 2003, 02:48 PM
Originally posted by Stevedox@Sep 27 2003, 10:12 PM
I'm sure as hell would go nuts if Newcastle moved to Durham, changed its name and so forth, I'd kill whoever thought of the idea and then his family. :devil :devil :devil :devil
Me too. Remember the fuss when the club were considering Gateshead Quays as a location for a new stadium, before SJP was extended?
People went mad over that, and that was literally just across the river.
I can totally understand the AFC Wimbledon supporters. They've had their club ripped away from them, and transported 70 miles away.
Now yes, some fans of probably every club will live a long way from where the club play, for various reasons, but that's down to them, NOT the club.
It would be rediculous if en-masse a club's fan base lived 60 or 70 miles away from the club.
If Crewe moved to somwhere like Lancaster would people travel up from Crewe?
Would they b*llocks, they'd oppose the move, and form their own club, simply because it wouldn't be THEIR club any more.
That would be the case anywhere.
Ross420
Sep 28 2003, 03:09 PM
The fact they moved home and kept their name is just stupid, how can anyone take this club seriously?
If an NFL team moves city they alter the name, thats what Wimbledon shouldve done.
Milton Keynes FC
Tom_NUFC
Sep 28 2003, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Ross420@Sep 28 2003, 04:09 PM
The fact they moved home and kept their name is just stupid, how can anyone take this club seriously?
If an NFL team moves city they alter the name, thats what Wimbledon shouldve done.
Milton Keynes FC
I think that's what will end up happening
Excelsior
Sep 28 2003, 04:19 PM
Anybody who is saying this move was right is just totally stupid!!!!!!
Wimbledon was NOT, I repeat NOT going bust. They were breaking even at Selhurst and there was a realistic possiblility of going back to Merton or close to Merton. It was almost arranged, but Koppel didn't want it. Koppel wanted to use the club in a ordinary property deal, ignoring his fans and doing it just for commercial reasons.
Football is the local community coming together. A club represents a city or (in this case) a part of a city and should never move away from there. A club belongs there and nowhere else. Going bust (IF Wimbledon would go bust, what's not true) or moving doesn't make that big difference, in both cases it means the club would stop existing in the Football League. But if a club goes bust a club which deserves it more will take that league place, and now Milton Keynes just stole a league place what is bad for the English pyramid system. AFC Wimbledon is Wimbledon, that team in MK isn't!!!
Btw, Mad_Times and Crewie, you're now complaining that AFC Wimbledon fans don't shut up, but it's football fans in general complaing, fans of ALL clubs!!!
mad_times
Sep 28 2003, 04:33 PM
They're not tho.... They've said it was wrong (something i, in part, agree on) but they don't go on about the death of football and that they'd have prefered them to go bust. They were NOT breaking even at Selhurst, they were losing 100k a week at one point, i don't believe any club in the nationwide is breaking even without selling players so clearly saying Wimbledon were is a LIE.
Excelsior
Sep 28 2003, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by mad_times@Sep 28 2003, 06:33 PM
They're not tho.... They've said it was wrong (something i, in part, agree on) but they don't go on about the death of football and that they'd have prefered them to go bust. They were NOT breaking even at Selhurst, they were losing 100k a week at one point, i don't believe any club in the nationwide is breaking even without selling players so clearly saying Wimbledon were is a LIE.
The fact is they weren't going bust. The people at Franchise told an unbelievable number of lies!!!
Crewie
Sep 28 2003, 05:10 PM
This is another thing. Anti-MK Dons REFUSE to hear anyone elses opinion on it. But you'll probably refuse to admit that aswell.
There is no bloody way they were breaking even. They were renting out a 25,000 seater stadium for 5,000 fans!! What do they pay Palace with? Brass buttons? They have many depts from the past which they're paying the price for, including the ITV Digital fiasco & premiership wages.
The people of South London weren't going to help and so they were only getting the 4-5,000 die hard fans, which after a while would drag them into liquidation. So they moved. They moved to save the club, to somewhere where they could attract decent crowds, and if you would rather they went bust than moved then you're a fool.
They're now in Milton Keynes. They have moved. No-one else will dare to do what they've done because there's a massive chance it could back fire. Plus there aren't any ex-premiership clubs in administration without a ground and with hardly any fans.
They're no longer connected to AFCWimbledon fans. Get over it. Go and support AFC instead of spending your life being bitter over MK Dons.
Crewie
Sep 28 2003, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by Tom_NUFC+Sep 28 2003, 03:48 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tom_NUFC @ Sep 28 2003, 03:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Stevedox@Sep 27 2003, 10:12 PM
I'm sure as hell would go nuts if Newcastle moved to Durham, changed its name and so forth, I'd kill whoever thought of the idea and then his family. :devil* :devil* :devil* :devil
Me too. Remember the fuss when the club were considering Gateshead Quays as a location for a new stadium, before SJP was extended?
People went mad over that, and that was literally just across the river.
I can totally understand the AFC Wimbledon supporters. They've had their club ripped away from them, and transported 70 miles away.
Now yes, some fans of probably every club will live a long way from where the club play, for various reasons, but that's down to them, NOT the club.
It would be rediculous if en-masse a club's fan base lived 60 or 70 miles away from the club.
If Crewe moved to somwhere like Lancaster would people travel up from Crewe?
Would they b*llocks, they'd oppose the move, and form their own club, simply because it wouldn't be THEIR club any more.
That would be the case anywhere. [/b][/quote]
Can't say for the other 15,000+ worldwide Crewe fans but if you read my reply to the first person who said it.....
I wouldn't mind IF we were on the verge of going under. I would rather see us relocate to stay afloat and have a team to support than us going bust leaving us with NO CHOICE but to be clubless
Manic Loop
Sep 28 2003, 05:41 PM
wimbledon were always going to move. its that simple. they were an anomoly anyway.
i personally hope they do well in MK. theres a void in that town. they all support man utd, be good for them to have their own team even if it is pre frab.
Excelsior
Sep 29 2003, 06:23 AM
This is a good read for the pro-Franchisers. NOT written by an AFC-fan!
How to help yourselves to a football club 80 miles away. It's a steal
By Martin Samuel, Sports Writer of the Year
A UNIQUE solution to a unique problem will finally be unveiled on Saturday. Or, as the match between Wimbledon and Burnley should more appropriately be tagged — “Stealing somebody’s club: the way forward for football in the 21st century”.
On a hockey field somewhere in the South Midlands, the club that ran away from their fans gets the chance to fulfil its loathsome destiny. Bottom of the Nationwide League first division (oh, joy) and still short of the 28,000-seat stadium that was part of the unique package placed before the dimwits at the Football League and Football Association, Wimbledon will limp 80 miles north, the pariahs of the professional game. Like all marriages of convenience, I’ll give it two years, tops.
Now that the battle to save Wimbledon in Wimbledon has been lost (although AFC Wimbledon soldier on, and more power to them), the saddest thing is to read about Burnley fans agonising over whether it is right or wrong to follow their team this weekend. Football supporting should not have come to this.
Many are justifiably outraged by the avaricious hike in ticket prices — up 25 per cent to £25 in the week of the match — others are opposed to franchised football. Some intend to go anyway and protest outside. Some will stay away. Some will breach the turnstiles reluctantly, others without a thought in their heads. “The biggest thing at stake is three points,” wrote a (thankfully) lone sage on the club website, bringing memories of Kate Lawler on Five reacting to news of al-Qaeda’s plot to blow up Brooklyn Bridge: “That would have been a shame — it’s such a lovely landmark.” But the majority understand.
There are a lot of bogeymen in this tale: the useless Charles Koppel and his Norwegian partners, whose joint financial acumen ruined the club; Sam Hammam, the former chairman, who stripped it; and Pete Winkelman, who entices impoverished football clubs to Milton Keynes, like Fagin corrupting street urchins. Yet one group has been allowed to escape unmolested: the people — the citizens of Milton Keynes, whose support for the project allowed a football club to be stolen from their loyal fans.
Listen to Winkelman, the architect of this odious scheme, and you’d be forgiven for thinking that Milton Keynes was an island off Orkney. His sales pitch is full of horror stories of children who can’t get into proper football schools run by league clubs without driving an hour in the car — what happened to the great road networks that are meant to make the place such an industrial catch? — and football-mad dads with nowhere to take their sons on Saturdays. One, I don’t believe it. And two, tough. When these families moved to Milton Keynes, a league club wasn’t in the brochure.
If it didn’t bother them then, why should it now? More to the point, why should it give Milton Keynes the right to nick a club from somebody else? Hey, Mr Newtown, shouldn’t you have thought this through before you parked the Mondeo on the drive of the four-bed detached? Ever wondered why not everybody wanted to go to Milton Keynes?
There’s this marvellous thing I’ve read about, called the M1. Milton Keynes, junction 14; Northampton, junction 15. That’s right, one stop. That’s what this unique solution is solving: the rabid football fans of Milton Keynes having to travel one junction on a motorway to find a league match. There’s even a service station in between. Milton Keynes southbound routes take junction 13 and Luton Town can be found via junction 11. So within four exits on the M1 there were two Football League clubs. And could the good people of Milton Keynes be bothered? Could they hell.
That’s why Wimbledon — MK Dons, Franchise FC, Pariah Argyle, or whatever name the club goes by now — will ultimately fail, even if novelty value makes Saturday’s match a sell-out (literally as well as morally).
There was a team called Milton Keynes City. Nobody cared about them. There were two teams up the road. Nobody could be bothered with them, either. And when the newness of Saturday football at a trumped-up hockey stadium has worn off, MK Quitters will go the same way as every other franchise that has relied on Mr and Mrs Newtown for support.
Because if these folk really cared about football, they would already be supporting Northampton Town. And looking at the gates, my guess is they’re not.
Tanghe the best
Sep 29 2003, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by mad_times+Sep 27 2003, 10:16 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (mad_times @ Sep 27 2003, 10:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Crewie@Sep 27 2003, 08:01 PM
60 odd miles isn't that far - i travel that distance to see Crewe at home every week.
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b*******!
I am from Utrecht, I support FC Utrecht. There is a real close connection between the city and the club. The "culture" of the city is also slose to the culture of the club.
If Utrecht moved 60 Miles I would do the same as the AFC Wimbledons did
And I care more about football than most on this board btw Mad Times. I spend about 2000 Euro's a year on footy...
mad_times
Sep 29 2003, 11:50 AM
And I care more about football than most on this board btw Mad Times. I spend about 2000 Euro's a year on footy...
???
Don't remember writing 'Tanghe doesn't care' i just said that wanting a club to go bankrupt is wrong.
Like i've said, AFC Wimbledon fans did their thing, and credit to them even though they're the biggest bandwagon in football, but they've got to let it go. They keep telling us that Wimbledon isn't Wimbledon, so bloody let it go then!
Its so old and boring now and i've had enough.
Excelsior
Sep 29 2003, 11:59 AM
Well, Franchise isn't Wimbledon, thats true!!! So not strange we keep saying it. :rolleyes:
Crewie, normally I respect other people's opinions. But if someone agrees on the fact my favourite English team is killed and ripped away from it's fans I CAN'T respect that opinion!!!
The Raven
Sep 29 2003, 04:29 PM
:rolleyes:
AFC Wimbledon are doing well and will probably get promoted, MKDons are doing crap and will probably get relegated. I know it's hard for those actually involved with either club, and I'm not in a position to understand as I never have had many feelings for Wimbledon, but I think it's time to let things rest. Sure if I was a Don's fan like Marten I wouldn't want to, or someone like JaredSUFC or Manic who feel strongly about it, but it's happened now like it or lump it. I don't believe in the ethics of the move either, but it's happened. Can't do anything about that. Let that camp ponce Winkelman get on withit. He's a big man in that city and he'll do what he thinks will please the people. All depends on what they want.
It's beginning to get a touch wearing now, this whole saga. I look out for AFC results, and if I've got a free Sunday when they're playing then I'll go down and see them play. I went down to see them play Merstham earlier this year, and although Nobiton is an absolute hell hole I was very impressed. AFC have got it good now, the other Wmbledon don't.
Just a warning, if AFC keep up this attitude that they have then they run the risk of making themselves very unpopular. :nono
Crewie
Sep 29 2003, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by Excelsior@Sep 29 2003, 12:59 PM
Crewie, normally I respect other people's opinions. But if someone agrees on the fact my favourite English team is killed and ripped away from it's fans I CAN'T respect that opinion!!!
Im so glad you want to continue to prove my points.
Excelsior
Sep 30 2003, 07:11 AM
Raven, WISA (AFC Wimbledon supporters association) has decided that they WON'T organise protests themselves anymore. However, if organisations not affliated to AFC Wimbledon want to do a protest they are willing to help. And there are still many other supporters who want to protest. But they won't organise something themselves.
The Raven
Sep 30 2003, 03:21 PM
That's good to hear. You'll probably meet each other in ten-fifteen years time anyway in the league.
To be honest I can only recommend not to dig up old bones. Look where AFC are. They'll probably be about 2-3 levels nearer by this time next year if you play your cards right and MK Dons go down.
Dave_BCFC
Oct 9 2003, 07:58 AM
Agreed Wimbledon had to move to survive since they had no other choice since there was pretty much nowhere else to go in South London.
However surely it must be wrong for Milton Keynes to get an instant divsion 1 team ? think of all the clubs in divsions 2, 3 and into non league who have seen a town effectivly jump into the nationwide avoiding the pyramid system of football.
If Milton Keynes want a football team they should start in non leaue and work through the leagues to earn their right to be in the nationwide.
Foley87
Oct 12 2003, 12:36 PM
the fans who chose afc wimbledon and wlaked out on MK are pathetic
call yourself football fans
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