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bastian
Aug 19 2003, 05:00 PM
Germany seeking elusive 'major' win

Clifford Coonan

BERLIN, Aug 19 (Reuters) - An injury-depleted Germany meet Italy in an international friendly on Wednesday eager to score their first victory against a major footballing nation in nearly three years.

With six World Cups between them, pride is the main thing at stake in the clash, but German coach Rudi Voeller is also aware that his side's easy run to the finals of the World Cup in 2002 masked a major dip in form for the three-time world champions.

They have not beaten a top international side since October 2000 when they defeated England 1-0 at Wembley.

Since then, the Germans have lost 1-0 to France, endured a humiliating 5-1 revenge hammering by England, lost 1-0 to Argentina, gone down 2-0 to Brazil in the World Cup final and lost 3-1 to Spain in February.

In the World Cup, they beat Saudi Arabia, Cameroon, Paraguay, the United States and South Korea.

German coach Rudi Voeller, who played for Roma between 1987 and 1992 and has an Italian wife, is relishing the prospect of meeting Italy. The last time the two countries met ended in a 0-0 draw at the European Championships in England in 1996.

'Playing against Italy is a highlight in the career of any international. The players will feel how it's something special to play against such a world-class team,' said Voeller.

INJURY CONCERNS

Voeller however is likely to be without nine players because of injury, including talented midfielders Michael Ballack and Sebastian Deisler.

Dietmar Hamann, Christian Ziege, Torsten Frings, Christoph Metzelder, Joerg Boehme and Jens Nowotny are all sidelined, as is Hertha Berlin's Arne Friedrich, who injured his stomach muscles on Monday.

'The numbers backing out have been a bit much but I'm not going to spend my whole time moaning about it.

'It will be hard but we've always shown we can do well against teams of this calibre. We've always delivered good football.'

Voeller's problems have been compounded by the fact Italy coach Giovanni Trapattoni has named an extremely strong squad for a match he does not consider as just another friendly.

'This game is not simply a friendly...there is prestige and honour at stake,' said Trapattoni, who has fewer headaches to contend with though defender Alessandro Nesta and midfielder Cristiano Zanetti will miss the game.

Trapattoni still, has a formidable strike force of Alessandro Del Piero, Francesco Totti and Christian Vieri for the first time since last year's World Cup finals.

Juventus midfielder Alessio Tacchinardi looks likely to start alongside Simone Perrotta in central midfield in Zanetti's absence, after more than a year out of the side.

Probable teams:

Germany: Oliver Kahn, Andreas Hinkel, Frank Baumann, Christian Woerns, Paul Freier, Carsten Ramelow, Jens Jeremies, Tobias Rau, Bernd Schneider, Oliver Neuville, Fredi Bobic

Italy: Gianluigi Buffon, Christian Panucci, Nicola Lagrottaglie, Massimo Oddo, Fabio Cannavaro, Alessio Tacchinardi, Massimo Ambrosini, Simone Perrotta, Alessandro Del Piero, Francesco Totti, Christian Vieri.

Ross420
Aug 19 2003, 05:19 PM
Germany are weakened greatly but they should still win...

bastian
Aug 19 2003, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by Ross420@Aug 19 2003, 03:19 PM
they should still win...
WE ALL GERMAN FOOTBALL FANS HOPE THAT...

Ross420
Aug 19 2003, 06:44 PM
Ive missed something, why is Klose not playing?

:huh:

bastian
Aug 19 2003, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by Ross420@Aug 19 2003, 04:44 PM
Ive missed something, why is Klose not playing?

:huh:
because bobic is in his place.... ;)

FCBfurimmer
Aug 19 2003, 07:24 PM
In this lineup they can even pull home a draw. German football and italian football is not the most beautuful to watch, but when you have to see Germany vs. Italiy, it´s going to be ahorrible match. probably under 3 goals.. Draw or 1:2 for Italy

Ross420
Aug 19 2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by bastian+Aug 19 2003, 06:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bastian @ Aug 19 2003, 06:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ross420@Aug 19 2003, 04:44 PM
Ive missed something, why is Klose not playing?

:huh:
because bobic is in his place.... ;) [/b][/quote]
Klose is fit but unselected?

:nono

FSVMainz05
Aug 20 2003, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by Ross420+Aug 19 2003, 05:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ross420 @ Aug 19 2003, 05:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-bastian+Aug 19 2003, 06:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bastian @ Aug 19 2003, 06:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ross420@Aug 19 2003, 04:44 PM
Ive missed something, why is Klose not playing?

:huh:
because bobic is in his place.... ;) [/b][/quote]
Klose is fit but unselected?

:nono [/b][/quote]
Yes, because he didn't played very good last season - Bobic scored 14 goals in 27 matches last season and 3 goals in the last 3 national team matches (against Scotland, Färöer and Canada).
At Bobic's side is Neuville who is playing a very good saeson until now and at saturday he scored 2 goals.


Good to see that Andreas Hinkel will play, he is very talented and can be a world-class defender in 2 or 3 years.

Zizou
Aug 20 2003, 09:42 AM
In case you're wondering, this is the announced first 11 for the italian team:

Buffon
Panucci, Cannavaro, Legrottaglie, Zambrotta
Camoranesi, Tacchinardi, Perrotta
Totti, Del Piero
Vieri

However just this morning, Camoranesi got a bad knock on his knee, so he might not play. His substitute will most probably be Fiore.

Ross420
Aug 20 2003, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by FSVMainz05+Aug 20 2003, 02:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FSVMainz05 @ Aug 20 2003, 02:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ross420+Aug 19 2003, 05:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ross420 @ Aug 19 2003, 05:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-bastian+Aug 19 2003, 06:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bastian @ Aug 19 2003, 06:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ross420@Aug 19 2003, 04:44 PM
Ive missed something, why is Klose not playing?

:huh:
because bobic is in his place.... ;) [/b][/quote]
Klose is fit but unselected?

:nono [/b][/quote]
Yes, because he didn't played very good last season - Bobic scored 14 goals in 27 matches last season and 3 goals in the last 3 national team matches (against Scotland, Färöer and Canada).
At Bobic's side is Neuville who is playing a very good saeson until now and at saturday he scored 2 goals.


Good to see that Andreas Hinkel will play, he is very talented and can be a world-class defender in 2 or 3 years. [/b][/quote]
I think Neuville is a good worker and is on form so should play. But it should be Klose instead of Bobic.

Bobic is old and past him best where Klose has the best years of his career ahead of him and he with Neuville has proven to be a productive partnership.

FCBfurimmer
Aug 20 2003, 08:05 PM
Klose sucked, but managed to miss a penalty and score a goal(header??) in the whole bundesliga matches since it started... Also is not affective, think Bobic will stop wasting chances and turn them into goals...

Ross420
Aug 20 2003, 08:40 PM
http://www.rediff.com/sports/football/2002/jun/11klose.jpg

:clap


<img src='http://www.sportal.de/de/images/200246/121102bobic_i.jpg[/img]

:nono


And thats the end of that chapter :king