RONALDINHO TO BARCELONA. CONFIRMED (?)

[fenderplm]

Manchester United withdrawed yesterday night, and this morning, the president of PSG has confirmed the agreement with FC Barcelona personally to Sandro Rosell, libredirecto.com can state.

According to other sources, the player braked the deal because he prefered to go to Barcelona, and Man U withdrawed.

Laporta already has the "yes" of Ronaldinho and PSG

Is a fact.* Libredirecto has been able to know that this morning PSG has given the OK* to Barcelona.* The offer of 20 million euro, Christanval and the transfer of Riquelme, is the best and only offer* that* the French team has over the table after the official retreat of Manchester on Wednesday night.*

Already only remain the final details.* The Ronaldinho soap opera ends with the player in FC Barcelona.* The "no" of the Manchester, motivated by the demands of the player to sign his contract with the English club, changed a situation that seemed against Bacerlona. Today, the offering of the Catalonian team is the only one that has been maintained on the table of the PSG and has been accepted this morning of by the French team.* The player,* accepts his transfer to Barcelona, although there are some final details that do not seem to be an impediment.*

PSG have asked Barcelona for to study the possibilities of the transfer and to see if the* coach prefers the transfer with Christanval and Riquelme, or the operation would close with an economic quantity.

http://www.libredirecto.com/doc/noticias/n...ia.asp?id=75458 (http://www.libredirecto.com/doc/noticias/noticia.asp?id=75458)

[Metatron]

I don't trust the source but I'll be happy if that's true.

[fenderplm]

Originally posted by Metatron@Jul 17 2003, 12:04 PM
I don't trust the source but I'll be happy if that's true.
It is a good source. It´s not infallible but they seem to be a reliable source. Let´s see.

[Valeron]

Libredirecto without Garcia is not the same,Garcia was arrogant but all he said always was true.At equal of Metatron I wish Wacht Ronaldinho the next year playing in spain,La liga needs more Madrid rivals.not only Real Sociedad :P

In the notice said that was Manchester who rejects to Ronaldinho :o

"es la mejor y única que tiene el equipo francés encima de la mesa tras la oficial retirada del Manchester, que en la noche del miércoles dijo no al jugador de forma definitiva".

[Kluivert]

hey can this news really be trusted, cause only a day back people were saying that Ronaldinho was supposed to have a medical at old trafford or something.. And can u tell me how many non-EU 's are allowed on the pitch at the same time I thought it was 3 but I have heard 4 from many place so could u clear that out

[fenderplm]

Originally posted by Kluivert@Jul 17 2003, 12:41 PM
hey can this news really be trusted, cause only a day back people were saying that Ronaldinho was supposed to have a medical at old trafford or something.. And can u tell me how many non-EU 's are allowed on the pitch at the same time I thought it was 3 but I have heard 4 from many place so could u clear that out
The team can have 4, but only 3 of them can play at the same time

[Kluivert]

If Ronaldinho come how are Rustu,Marquez and Saviola supposed to play at the same time.Even Motta is non-EU right,considering Riquelme went to PSG

[Valeron]

well saviola is very near of obtain the spanish naturalization and Motta i Think that he has Italian naturalization

[Kluivert]

yeah I heard that motta has a Itallian passport I just hope Saviola gets the spanish passport too

[fenderplm]

Originally posted by Kluivert@Jul 17 2003, 12:52 PM
If Ronaldinho come how are Rustu,Marquez and Saviola supposed to play at the same time.Even Motta is non-EU right,considering Riquelme went to PSG
Motta is European. And as I told you yesterday, Saviola is not the kind of player that Rijkaard and Sandro Rosell want, so he will be in the bench IMO.
Anyway Rustu could be considered European according to a spanish law. For example, in Spain, the Turkish basketball players are considered European players.
It is coherent, because if turkish teams like Galatasaray, Besiktas and Fenerbache play the European Cups, the turkish players should be considered european players.

[VBaia]

Originally posted by Kluivert@Jul 17 2003, 12:58 PM
yeah I heard that motta has a Itallian passport I just hope Saviola gets the spanish passport too
Motta has an Italian passport. The no-EU players at the moment are Riquelme, Rustu, Marquez and Saviola. Ronaldinho MAY come in for Riquelme (still don't beleive the deal is done).

Only 3 can be on the pitch - for my money, Rustu, Marquez and Ronaldinho. Saviola won't play - in Rijkaard's 4-2-3-1 there is no place for him ! (absurd as it sounds.)

Personally, I'd play him a drop Rustu - Valdes is a pretty good, young keeper who is non-EU. THere is a reason why Barca havn't had a decent 'keeper since Zubizaretta - they don't give anyone a real chance. Young keepers in particular need a season or two to fully settle. Think of recent 'keepers in the squad - Baia (dropped for Hesp), Hesp, Arnau, Reina, Dutruel, Bonano, Enke. Half of these have played less than half a season - Dutruel, Arnau, Reina and Enke barely touched the ball. It's time to pick a 'keeper and stick with them - the constant changing does nobody any good.

[Kluivert]

hey are there any other players apart from cisse that Barca are still after, I think they need to get another Def.

[Metatron]

Ronaldinho

By Andy
Date: 17/7/2003

2PM News: UWS understands that Sir Alex is on his way to Paris to conclude the Ronaldinho deal. He is travelling with Maurice Watkins, United's solicitor. Barcelona are still convinced that Ronaldinho wants to join them.




:ph34r:

[soccerbest]

It ain`t over just yet! Barca have upped there bid, now it`s our turn! Old Trafford representatives are meeting with PSG tonight!

[Kluivert]

where do u people get all this news from?

[Metatron]

Originally posted by Kluivert@Jul 17 2003, 03:39 PM
where do u people get all this news from?
mine

http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=Fo...ootball&x=2&y=5 (http://www.newsnow.co.uk/newsfeed/?name=Football&x=2&y=5)

[Fins Prompte]

Barca jump to front of Ronny queue

Barcelona leapt to the front of the queue to sign Ronaldinho today and admitted that the speed in which they have gone from no-hopers to favourites to sign the Brazilian has surprised even them.

After Paris St Germain president Francis Graille revealed that the bid for Ronaldinho from Manchester United was 'completely' insufficient compared to Barcelona's offer, suddenly the Spanish giants found themselves poised to land the striker.

And while it was shock news to the Catalans, it was also welcome news, with club officials planning to fly out to Paris to try and conclude operations before United consider coming back with a new offer.

Set to be involved at the negotiating table are president Joan Laporta and his right-hand man, vice-president Sandro Rosell.

And Rosell's press secretary Juanho Castillo revealed how Barca were now 'optimistic' of having the 23-year-old in their squad shortly.

'We are still fighting to get him playing here now that we know Manchester have taken one step down in the negotiations,' said Castillo.

'We are looking forward to having him here playing at the Nou Camp next season.

'His negotiators are very tough. but we are optimistic we'll have him here.

'Just two days ago we thought our chances had gone.'

Resigned to defeat, a despondent Laporta had announced on Wednesday afternoon: 'We made an important offer and PSG have that on the table. We were waiting for an answer on Tuesday, but none came.'

But Barca's offer, which is believed to be £21million, superseded the bid on the table from United who, like their bidding rivals, have made Ronaldinho their prime summer transfer target.

Castillo could not comment on reports in Spain that United have gone cold on the deal.

'I don't know anything about whether Manchester United have pulled out of a deal. Don't ask me why this has happened.

'We are still now talking with Ronaldinho and Paris St Germain, but you never know what's going to happen and things could turn around again if United come in with a new offer.'

Graille had told PA International he was keen to get the sale done. PSG claim that United must move swiftly to increase their bid, and do so significantly, in order to remain in the race for the Brazilian.

Graille wants the situation resolved 'as soon as possible', and the longer Barca's bid remains the preferred option for PSG, the more likely they are to succeed in the mission to sign the former Gremio player.

He revealed how there were no more meetings planned with United chief executive Peter Kenyon but added: 'Things can happen very quickly.'

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?...=271713&cc=5901 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=271713&cc=5901)

Just sit back and watch them go at it.

[TedNolan]

It happears that Auxerre's Djibrill Cissé is Plan B in barca, if they don't get ronaldinho. They offered 10 millions euros for him, but auxerre want 35 mil.

why are they going fro cissé? Kluivert is staying and they already have saviola. would they play three up front?

[fenderplm]

Originally posted by TedNolan@Jul 17 2003, 06:41 PM
It happears that Auxerre's Djibrill Cissé is Plan B in barca, if they don't get ronaldinho. They offered 10 millions euros for him, but auxerre want 35 mil.

why are they going fro cissé? Kluivert is staying and they already have saviola. would they play three up front?
They prefer to have Cisse instead of Saviola

[Kluivert]

hey anyone who knows spanish can u tell me what the Marca site has to say on Ronaldinho and what was Number 21 saying .

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by fenderplm+Jul 17 2003, 08:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fenderplm @ Jul 17 2003, 08:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TedNolan@Jul 17 2003, 06:41 PM
It happears that Auxerre's Djibrill Cissé is Plan B in barca, if they don't get ronaldinho. They offered 10 millions euros for him, but auxerre want 35 mil.

why are they going fro cissé?&nbsp; Kluivert is staying and they already have saviola. would they play three up front?
They prefer to have Cisse instead of Saviola [/b][/quote]
:o :nono :nono :nono

Saviola is one of the brightest talents in the world, he should play IMO, he's a great player.. Kluivert-Saviola looks a good combination if you asked me.. What's Barca doin' anyway, chasing Ronaldinho and now Cissé..DEFENDERS is what Barca need.. ;) :ph34r:

[Fins Prompte]

Saviola was one of the few, if not, only bright spot on this squad and you want to bench him??? I would love to see if all the Barca fans will like that move come game time.

[Kluivert]

exactly what Barca needs is solidity in Defence and maybe if they have done that a back up striker we don't need someone like Ronaldinho he's non EU and he is way too expensive. I think Barca are opnly going for these names cause they need a big name signing after the faliure to sign Beckham.

[VBaia]

Originally posted by IBES@Jul 17 2003, 06:59 PM
Saviola was one of the few, if not, only bright spot on this squad and you want to bench him??? I would love to see if all the Barca fans will like that move come game time.
I disagree. Look at their defensive record last year. Conceded 48 goals in 38 games - not great, but only 6 teams bettered it. It was the lack of scoring goals which caused the problem - only 63 goals ! Do you not remember the years when 100 goals was the 'target'.

Yes, Barca's defence is poor by comparison, but the problem this year was that they were 'average' in both defence AND attack. Barca have had a bad defence for YEARS. They've even won titles with it. But they always finish in the top two for goal tally. But not this year.

I also thought that Puyol was one of the best centre-backs in La Liga this year - so why switch him back to right back. A Puyol-Marquez defensive centre makes sense to me, Gabra/Reiziger can cover the right. And Anderson is a fantastic defender who deserves to play. For me, all Barca need in defence is a left back and a consistent team selection.

As for Cisse - not a good 'signing' in my view. I'd look for cheaper targets or give the 'B' team players a chance. I'd probably look to snap up a cut-price Morientes, who is a proven goalscorer at all levels.
Finally, if Ronaldinho comes, I fully expect Saviola to be benched. Which is a mistake in my view.

[Red Devil]

If this were true, why did three of United fly over to Paris today - to buy frogs legs?????

[fenderplm]

Originally posted by Red Devil@Jul 17 2003, 08:28 PM
If this were true, why did three of United fly over to Paris today - to buy frogs legs?????
Well, some days ago, the press in england sayd that Ronaldinho was arriving that day in Manchester...............
We don´t know if it is true that three of United are in Paris or not. In fact, nobody has mentioned it in Spain, even the Real Madrid press haven´t mentioned it.

[Kluivert]

hey Fenderplm what doen the Marca site say, u do know spanish right, just check it out and tell me if there are any updates on the deal

[Fins Prompte]

possibly, it could be the only thing they will bring back from paris :D

[Valeron]

Well the notice of libredirecto at least has a mistake,It said that was MAnchester who broke with the player and Marca(this is for you kluivert) say that is PSG who is angry with Manchester because the english reached an agreement with the player back to PSG.

[fenderplm]

Originally posted by Kluivert@Jul 17 2003, 08:44 PM
hey Fenderplm what doen the Marca site say, u do know spanish right, just check it out and tell me if there are any updates on the deal
THE PSG PRESIDENT SEES RONALDINHO IN BARCELONA

PSG is annoyed with Manchester United and open the door to Barcelona. Francis Graille, president of PSG, does not want to sell Ronaldinho to any price and he was very upset with Manchester United. "Manchester has not respected the rules of the game and has negociated directly with the player. Although they could have obtained an agreement with Ronaldinho, they haven´t us, the club, and I expect to defend well our club".

Graille complains that : "The negotiations continue. If Manchester confirm what they have proposed, we should come to an agreement. But these last days, the written offers of Manchester have been always lower to the verbal".

Francis Graille phoned Joan Laporta to agree the transfer of Ronaldinho. Anyway, the president doesn´t want to negotiate with Roberto Assis, brother and agent of the player.

[Metatron]

Originally posted by fenderplm@Jul 17 2003, 10:38 PM
even the Real Madrid press haven´t mentioned it.
:rolleyes: Madrid press though they talk a lot about Real Madrid isn't like Barcelona Press that seems to enjoy all the bad things about Real Madrid appart from focussing in the everything that can harm Real Madrid.

Madrid press is much more objective, and seems to be glad of Barça successes it's not like you paint it Fenderplm.

[Kluivert]

thanks mate. I think this is just a ploy by Graille to get more money out of Manchester United.

[Metatron]

Originally posted by Red Devil@Jul 17 2003, 10:28 PM
If this were true, why did three of United fly over to Paris today - to buy frogs legs?????
:laugh :laugh :laugh maybe to give PSG president what he wants 35 millions Euros :P

[Spandan]

Yes..i hope he comes to United..Barca cant even offer him Champions League football next season. Besides that, they are overshadowed by rivals Real, and are probably not gonna win anything this season. Their finances are messed, and cant afford to pay certain players..

[fenderplm]

Originally posted by Metatron+Jul 17 2003, 09:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Metatron @ Jul 17 2003, 09:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-fenderplm@Jul 17 2003, 10:38 PM
even the Real Madrid press haven´t mentioned it.
:rolleyes: Madrid press though they talk a lot about Real Madrid isn't like Barcelona Press that seems to enjoy all the bad things about Real Madrid appart from focussing in the everything that can harm Real Madrid.

Madrid press is much more objective, and seems to be glad of Barça successes it's not like you paint it Fenderplm. [/b][/quote]
COME ON MATE!!!! I can believe what you are saying.........Even you don´t believe it mate.

"Madrid press (...) seems to be glad of Barça successes..." OMG

Who is glad of the Barça success?? Tomas Roncero, Tomas Guasch?? Come on mate. The writers of Diario As are more fanatic than the Ultrassur (Real Madrid Hoolligans). They are the funny clowns of their respective radio programs, Tomas Guasch in "El Largero" and Tomas Roncero in "El Tirachinas", they are there just to make fun of Barça, you can´t deny it mate ,come on, for God´s sake!

[Metatron]

Originally posted by fenderplm@Jul 17 2003, 11:15 PM

COME ON MATE!!!! I can believe what you are saying.........Even you don´t believe it mate.

"Madrid press (...) seems to be glad of Barça successes..." OMG

Who is glad of the Barça success?? Tomas Roncero, Tomas Guasch?? Come on mate. The writers of Diario As are more fanatic than the Ultrassur (Real Madrid Hoolligans). They are the funny clowns of their respective radio programs, Tomas Guasch in "El Largero" and Tomas Roncero in "El Tirachinas", they are there just to make fun of Barça, you can´t deny it mate ,come on, for God´s sake!
Don't wanna answer the easiest way so i won't make fun of this ;)


I'm not saying Madrid press is totally objective, but when they talk about Barça they do it much more objectively than the way the Barcelona press refers to Real Madrid or is this also wrong?

[fenderplm]

Originally posted by Metatron@Jul 17 2003, 09:20 PM
when they talk about Barça they do it much more objectively than the way the Barcelona press refers to Real Madrid or is this also wrong?


You think that because you are a real madrid supporter.

I think exactly quite the opposite, I think that Barça press talk much more objectively about Madrid than Madrid press talk about Barcelona.

[Metatron]

Originally posted by fenderplm+Jul 17 2003, 11:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fenderplm @ Jul 17 2003, 11:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Metatron@Jul 17 2003, 09:20 PM
when they talk about Barça they do it much more objectively than the way the Barcelona press refers to Real Madrid or is this also wrong?


You think that because you are a real madrid supporter.

I think exactly quite the opposite, I think that Barça press talk much more objectively about Madrid than Madrid press talk about Barcelona. [/b][/quote]
You just have to look at the covers of the web sites.

www.marca.es
www.as.com
www.elmundodeportivo.es
www.sport.es

[fenderplm]

Originally posted by Metatron+Jul 17 2003, 09:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Metatron @ Jul 17 2003, 09:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-fenderplm+Jul 17 2003, 11:29 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fenderplm @ Jul 17 2003, 11:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Metatron@Jul 17 2003, 09:20 PM
when they talk about Barça they do it much more objectively than the way the Barcelona press refers to Real Madrid or is this also wrong?


You think that because you are a real madrid supporter.

I think exactly quite the opposite, I think that Barça press talk much more objectively about Madrid than Madrid press talk about Barcelona. [/b][/quote]
You just have to look at the covers of the web sites.

www.marca.es
www.as.com
www.elmundodeportivo.es
www.sport.es [/b][/quote]
That proves exactly what I´m saying.

The main piece of news today, is the transfer of Ronaldinho to Barcelona. But, in www.as.com they mention it in one miserable and isolated line........... :rolleyes:

[Valeron]

well this can be the endless story,both have many example for have the reason,El As and Roncero sucks,I heard to journalist Azuara said that Roncero changed in sometimes the headline of the newspaper for orden of Florentino,this can be sound ridiculous in fact I laught when i heard,but for my surprise Roncero puted very serious and didn´t deny this.

For the other hand Fender if you call objetive to the catalan press for show his real feelings to Real Madrid,yes you´re right :USA_Blue's_Smiley I still can remember when Real Madrid wins the penultimate intercontinental against the brazilians.The headline in MD and Sport was REAL MADRID GANA LA COPA TOYOTA :laugh

Marca is different ,of course el Madrid has more importance that Barça for this newspaper but i think that is very objetive.The Madrid´s newspaper in national ambit like newspaper from the capital,in my opinion have to the obligation of talk for all teams of the country,and the only newspaper that i know and does it decently is Marca

[Metatron]

Originally posted by fenderplm@Jul 17 2003, 11:50 PM
The piece of news today, is the transfer of Ronaldinho to Barcelona. But, in www.as.com they mention it in one miserable and isolated line........... :rolleyes:
I'm not saying that but if you want that way, the day after Madrid won la liga it wasn't even in the cover. And i say that because that day i was in Barcelona.

Not only I'll say more, El pais a national newspaper had for the Madrid edition a photo or Real Madrid players celebratint the title while the Barcelona edition had a photo of the Barça squad saying that the've reached UEFA.

What i meant about the covers and don't look at a day, is that Barcelona press is full of Barça shields, no matter what Madrid achieves it's never in the front page, sometimes there is a small photo nothing more. And when they talk about Madrid is only for critics, in Madrid they also critizise Barça but they also say they've done good things when they do.

[Metatron]

Originally posted by Valeron@Jul 17 2003, 11:56 PM
well this can be the endless story,both have many example for have the reason,El As and Roncero sucks,I heard to journalist Azuara said that Roncero changed in sometimes the headline of the newspaper for orden of Florentino,this can be sound ridiculous in fact I laught when i heard,but for my surprise Roncero puted very serious and didn´t deny this.

For the other hand Fender if you call objetive to the catalan press for show his real feelings to Real Madrid,yes you´re right :USA_Blue's_Smiley I still can remember when Real Madrid wins the penultimate intercontinental against the brazilians.The headline in MD and Sport was REAL MADRID GANA LA COPA TOYOTA :laugh

Marca is different ,of course el Madrid has more importance that Barça for this newspaper but i think that is very objetive.The Madrid´s newspaper in national ambit like newspaper from the capital,in my opinion have to the obligation of talk for all teams of the country,and the only newspaper that i know and does it decently is Marca
SPOT ON

[soccerchic]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23@Jul 18 2003, 04:54 AM
Saviola is one of the brightest talents in the world, he should play IMO, he's a great player
exactly!!!!!!!! we'd be fools to let him go, he's going to be a world great in a few years time :bowing :banghead he along with puyol and lucho are the only players from last season who i would keep at any price :angry: :crying :censored

[soccerchic]

Originally posted by Kluivert@Jul 18 2003, 05:00 AM
exactly what Barca needs is solidity in Defence and maybe if they have done that a back up striker we don't need someone like Ronaldinho he's non EU and he is way too expensive. I think Barca are opnly going for these names cause they need a big name signing after the faliure to sign Beckham.
i totally agree

[Killah]

yeah and he is unprofessional aswell, probably be in a club before matchday then turn up and say i had dentist appointment