I was wondering...

[TedNolan]

Why would a Milan citizen cheer for AC Milan or why would he cheer, instead, for Inter? And Why would a roman citizen cheer for roma instead or lazio or vice versa?? Are there any reasons other than ''playing-style preference'' , or simply geographical matter , for football supporters in italy to support the team they support???

I find the cultural/historical background in football to be a very interesting subject, so thanks for you anwsers in advance, it's greatly appreciated. :)

[Interista]

While you are in your younger years you can be influence quite easily. I once was given an Inter shirt when I was approximately 10 years old and since then I follow a couple of matches and (unfortunately) became an Interista. Don't really mean that off course, just a little bit jealous at Juve :rolleyes:

Anyway Inter and Milan are rival clubs. In 1908 Internazionale was founded by some discontented board members of the Athelics Club Milan, because Milan didn't allowed foreign players at their club. Milan used to be a club for the ordinary people while Inter was a club for the more weathy and educated people. But these things doesn't really matter much for future Rossineri or Nerazzurri anymore

[TedNolan]

Originally posted by Interista@Jul 5 2003, 07:44 AM
While you are in your younger years you can be influence quite easily. I once was given an Inter shirt when I was approximately 10 years old and since then I follow a couple of matches and (unfortunately) became an Interista. Don't really mean that off course, just a little bit jealous at Juve :rolleyes:

Anyway Inter and Milan are rival clubs. In 1908 Internazionale was founded by some discontented board members of the Athelics Club Milan, because Milan didn't allowed foreign players at their club. Milan used to be a club for the ordinary people while Inter was a club for the more weathy and educated people. But these things doesn't really matter much for future Rossineri or Nerazzurri anymore
Ah I had heard that Milan story. I know that Iner was also associated with fascists movements and that tarnished their reputation for years, wich is quite sad... You have any idea about the Roma clubs???

[Blue]

Dont both clubs have a British connection though...I seem to remember something about that.
Also the spelling gives it away....Milan instead of Milano.

[TedNolan]

Originally posted by USA Blue@Jul 5 2003, 01:58 PM
Dont both clubs have a British connection though...I seem to remember something about that.
Also the spelling gives it away....Milan instead of Milano.
Well, wasn't football spread in europe with the help of travelling scottish and british people?

[Zeman]

Originally posted by TedNolan@Jul 5 2003, 07:18 PM
Ah I had heard that Milan story. I know that Iner was also associated with fascists movements and that tarnished their reputation for years, wich is quite sad... You have any idea about the Roma clubs???
Never heard of this fascist story... The old name of Inter was Ambrosiana and it diesnt sound like a fascist name...

[Interista]

Originally posted by Zeman@Jul 5 2003, 08:39 PM
Never heard of this fascist story... The old name of Inter was Ambrosiana and it diesnt sound like a fascist name...
I have heard that Inter frequently was linked with fascists in WW II. The story however is a bit more complicated then that

Internazionale was forced to change its name to Ambrosiano because of the Mussolini government. Inter's policy was very open minded which ment that foreigners were allowed to play at Inter unlike the policy of other Italian clubs like Milan, Juventus or Torino. The Mussolini Government, which were fascists I believe, didn't like this a bit, and forced the Inter board to change the clubs name into Ambrosiano because Internazionale reminded them to the open character of Inter's policy. However whenever Ambrosiano played at home the Nerazzurri frequently shouted Inter so after two/three years the government allowed the club to call itself Ambrosiano-Inter.

During WWII the Mussolini government frequently executed people at Inter's old stadium. Also a lot of german officers visited the matches of Inter because Inter was a club for the elite back then. This is why Inter often is linked with fascists, which is really unfair if you know the whole story.

[Zeman]

Originally posted by Interista+Jul 5 2003, 10:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Interista @ Jul 5 2003, 10:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Zeman@Jul 5 2003, 08:39 PM
Never heard of this fascist story... The old name of Inter was Ambrosiana and it diesnt sound like a fascist name...
I have heard that Inter frequently was linked with fascists in WW II. The story however is a bit more complicated then that

Internazionale was forced to change its name to Ambrosiano because of the Mussolini government. Inter's policy was very open minded which ment that foreigners were allowed to play at Inter unlike the policy of other Italian clubs like Milan, Juventus or Torino. The Mussolini Government, which were fascists I believe, didn't like this a bit, and forced the Inter board to change the clubs name into Ambrosiano because Internazionale reminded them to the open character of Inter's policy. However whenever Ambrosiano played at home the Nerazzurri frequently shouted Inter so after two/three years the government allowed the club to call itself Ambrosiano-Inter.

During WWII the Mussolini government frequently executed people at Inter's old stadium. Also a lot of german officers visited the matches of Inter because Inter was a club for the elite back then. This is why Inter often is linked with fascists, which is really unfair if you know the whole story. [/b][/quote]
ah very good, i didnt know this story

[TedNolan]

Originally posted by Interista+Jul 5 2003, 04:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Interista @ Jul 5 2003, 04:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Zeman@Jul 5 2003, 08:39 PM
Never heard of this fascist story... The old name of Inter was Ambrosiana and it diesnt sound like a fascist name...
I have heard that Inter frequently was linked with fascists in WW II. The story however is a bit more complicated then that

Internazionale was forced to change its name to Ambrosiano because of the Mussolini government. Inter's policy was very open minded which ment that foreigners were allowed to play at Inter unlike the policy of other Italian clubs like Milan, Juventus or Torino. The Mussolini Government, which were fascists I believe, didn't like this a bit, and forced the Inter board to change the clubs name into Ambrosiano because Internazionale reminded them to the open character of Inter's policy. However whenever Ambrosiano played at home the Nerazzurri frequently shouted Inter so after two/three years the government allowed the club to call itself Ambrosiano-Inter.

During WWII the Mussolini government frequently executed people at Inter's old stadium. Also a lot of german officers visited the matches of Inter because Inter was a club for the elite back then. This is why Inter often is linked with fascists, which is really unfair if you know the whole story. [/b][/quote]
Thank you very much interista, I've learned quite a lot with your explanation.

Now, i don't want to abuse anyone's time or patience here, but what about Rome??? Everytime I hear SS Lazio, It always comes down to racism. Is it because of the incident with Vieira I think? Is it true that many of the club's supporters are racists themselves???

And do AS Roma have a particular background or are simply a football club with a normal history???

What I mean is, What makes Romans choose Lazio or AS Roma or the other way around.???

[Interista]

SS Lazio Roma has indeed the most fanatic and notorious fan in the Italian Serie A. A lot of "dark" players were insulted by racist shouting by a small number of Lazio tifosi like Seedorf, Angloma, Ince and Vieira.

But don't think they are the only tifosi who misbehaved. Famous is the scooter incident of Interisti at Guiseppe Meazza or the angry rossoneri who bombarded the players bus of Milan with stones after two heavy defeats in a row (by Juventus 6-0 and Inter 3-0 three/four years ago)

I don't really know the difference between Lazio and Roma. I've heard that AS Roma is quite popular in Rome, unlike Lazio which is popular outside Rome. But I don't really know if this is true

[KD_7]

Originally posted by Interista@Jul 5 2003, 01:44 PM
While you are in your younger years you can be influence quite easily. I once was given an Inter shirt when I was approximately 10 years old and since then I follow a couple of matches and (unfortunately) became an Interista. Don't really mean that off course, just a little bit jealous at Juve&nbsp; :rolleyes:

Anyway Inter and Milan are rival clubs. In 1908 Internazionale was founded by some discontented board members of the Athelics Club Milan, because Milan didn't allowed foreign players at their club. Milan used to be a club for the ordinary people while Inter was a club for the more weathy and educated people. But these things doesn't really matter much for future Rossineri or Nerazzurri anymore
Hi, I'm sure that this is the other way round, (because they told the history of the 2 clubs before their Champions League matches against each other a few months ago.. that and I've heard from other sources)

AC Milan used to be the only major club in Milan, it was a club that would only allow rich and non-foriegn people to play, some players from AC then rebelled and formed Inter,(they named the club 'Internazionale Milano, which obviously means International Milan, because of this). Inter allowed foriegn and 'working class' people to play for them, i believe their first ever captain was a foreign player, Swedish I think. They've been known to be the working man's club, well, of what I've been told.


I'd like to be informed more on the whole Lazio being racist situation. If anyone could explain this to me I'd appreciate it.

Cheers in advance.

[soccerchic]

nice thread! :clap

[Interista]

Originally posted by KD_7@Jul 19 2003, 11:34 PM
Hi, I'm sure that this is the other way round, (because they told the history of the 2 clubs before their Champions League matches against each other a few months ago.. that and I've heard from other sources)

I know of the sources you mentioned KD_7, since I also heard that story. It is true that the Milan Cricket and Football Club (now known as AC Milan) didn't allow working class men to join their club during the 10's. However due to the foundation of other Milanese clubs like FC Internazionale and Milanese Unione Sportiva they quickly changed their policy and also working class Italians were allowed. One might say that Milan was indeed a club for the rich people back then. However what these sources fail to say is that the roles became reverse during the 1920's. Milan was largely supported by many "working class" men while Inter was supported by the "upper class" although the club also had many common people who supported them. Although I'm pleased that the distinction between working class and upper class quickly vanished after World War II.

By the way Inter's first captian was a Swiss, called Hernst Manktl.

Here is an old picture of the disconted member of Milan who founded Inter

http://www.inter.it/en/societa/cronistoria/fondatori1908.jpg

[Zizou]

So it's thanks to those guys that we have Inter? :k*** :salute

[KD_7]

Originally posted by Zizou@Jul 20 2003, 12:16 PM
So it's thanks to those guys that we have Inter? :k*** :salute
lol

[Foley87]

yeh cracking thread ted

im really into this

why is inter called Milano or it that AC

[KD_7]

Originally posted by Foley87@Jul 21 2003, 11:35 PM
yeh cracking thread ted

im really into this

why is inter called Milano or it that AC
AC Milan has always been known as Milan ('Milano' in Italian), most likely cos it was around first.

Inter Milan has always been called Inter.

Well, at least that's what I think, correct me if I'm wrong.

[Zizou]

AC = Assocacione Calcisticha (Football Assosciation)

Inter's full name is actually Internazionale.

[Zeman]

Associazione Calcistica

[Zizou]

:laugh opps yeah I actually was spelling in maltese :P

[Tanghe the best]

Dont both clubs have a British connection though...I seem to remember something about that.
Also the spelling gives it away....Milan instead of Milano.

AC Milan: if I am right founded by Englishman! That's why it's Milan instead of Milano...

A lot of "dark" players were insulted by racist shouting by a small number of Lazio tifosi like Seedorf, Angloma, Ince and Vieira

Small amount? They got thousands waving there right hand(Hitler sign) they got banners up to 50 metres large with the Celtic Cross(=sign for white power). Lazio irriducibili's are very rascist/fascist. They adore Hitler and mussolini.

And do AS Roma have a particular background or are simply a football club with a normal history???

What I mean is, What makes Romans choose Lazio or AS Roma or the other way around.???

Ehm your Canadian and prolly don't know this because footy isn't deeply ankered into the society. In Italy football is one off the most important things in life. The team you choose is linked to your family in cities like Rome but also to erea's. deffo not style off football, that's a reason for canadian's/azians (people who don't have a football culture itself) to choose there team maybe but in the entire Europe all the real fans are either from the city/area or brought up with it trough family or friends. Style of play isn't an important issue in choosing your club.

But don't think they are the only tifosi who misbehaved. Famous is the scooter incident of Interisti at Guiseppe Meazza or the angry rossoneri who bombarded the players bus of Milan with stones after two heavy defeats in a row (by Juventus 6-0 and Inter 3-0 three/four years ago)


Or when Salernitana(great club btw!) relegated and lit fire on there own trains and four people died. And the list goes on, Italian hooliganism is worse then English although Italians don't travel and only make trouble in Italy itself(trowing flares and stabbing is famous). English make trouble abroad aswell and therefor get all the blame.

I don't really know the difference between Lazio and Roma. I've heard that AS Roma is quite popular in Rome, unlike Lazio which is popular outside Rome. But I don't really know if this is true

It's true Lazio(Latium in the Roman Empire) is thesate where Rome is from. AS Roma is the biggest club in Rome, while Lazio fans are like you said from the regions outside Rome

If your interested I advice you to watch the BBC trilogy "Hooligans". Part III is about Lazio and Boca Juniors. Great documentaries, watched them all several times. Dunno where you can get them, Kazaa maybe.

I find this an extremly interesting subject aswell. To be quite honoust I don't care if ronaldinho is going to Real, Barca or Man Utd. Players, board and managers are temporal, being a supporter is for life! If you want more tips I can give you some hints for good books, just let me know.

[Interista]

Originally posted by Tanghe the best@Jul 22 2003, 09:26 PM
Small amount? They got thousands waving there right hand(Hitler sign) they got banners up to 50 metres large with the Celtic Cross(=sign for white power). Lazio irriducibili's are very rascist/fascist. They adore Hitler and mussolini.
I haven't counted them Anno. A few thousand may sound a large number of fans but keep in mind that the stadium can contain approx. 80.000 viewers. And I think only max 5000 tifosi have very "right wing" views

[Tanghe the best]

Originally posted by Interista+Jul 23 2003, 09:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Interista @ Jul 23 2003, 09:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Tanghe the best@Jul 22 2003, 09:26 PM
Small amount? They got thousands waving there right hand(Hitler sign) they got banners up to 50 metres large with the Celtic Cross(=sign for white power). Lazio irriducibili's are very rascist/fascist. They adore Hitler and mussolini.
I haven't counted them Anno. A few thousand may sound a large number of fans but keep in mind that the stadium can contain approx. 80.000 viewers. And I think only max 5000 tifosi have very "right wing" views [/b][/quote]
Yeah but besides the game against Roma the stadium is never full! And what are you saying lad, just 5.000 (!!!) neo nazis isn't much :o :ph34r:

[Interista]

Relative no, it's only 6% of all Lazio fans. I think that not all 5000 people are potential neo-nazis. A lot of them are influenced by a small amount of hard core fans.

I once visited the friendly between AZ and Barcelona. It was van Gaal's first season with Barca and Willem van Hanegem was coach of AZ. Unfortunately I was with my friend who bought tickets at the stand were all the hard core AZ fans were standing. At the beginning of the match a few of these AZ "Die Hard" fans were shouting insulting remarks about Reizigers lips and skin colour. After a few minutes almost the whole stadium were shouting these remarks. Thank God Reiziger did had his revenge because Barcelona won the game with 1-2. Guess I was the only one who was happy of the result although i was afraid to show it since these "Die Hard" fans were really scaring me. What I want to say with this story is that these insulting remarks begin with just a few people, who unfortunately will unfluence other individuals.

[Tanghe the best]

Originally posted by Interista@Jul 23 2003, 10:15 AM
Relative no, it's only 6% of all Lazio fans. I think that not all 5000 people are potential neo-nazis. A lot of them are influenced by a small amount of hard core fans.

I once visited the friendly between AZ and Barcelona. It was van Gaal's first season with Barca and Willem van Hanegem was coach of AZ. Unfortunately I was with my friend who bought tickets at the stand were all the hard core AZ fans were standing. At the beginning of the match a few of these AZ "Die Hard" fans were shouting insulting remarks about Reizigers lips and skin colour. After a few minutes almost the whole stadium were shouting these remarks. Thank God Reiziger did had his revenge because Barcelona won the game with 1-2. Guess I was the only one who was happy of the result although i was afraid to show it since these "Die Hard" fans were really scaring me. What I want to say with this story is that these insulting remarks begin with just a few people, who unfortunately will unfluence other individuals.
Yeah I know what you mean, but still Lazio has a big group of rascist/fascist supporters...

And AZ and die hards, lol, the notorious Ben Side :laugh

[AFCA]

Chanting about Reizigers lips isn't racist though. They're huge... Tsunami-like.