DFB-CUP quarter final

[Timonator]

Tuesday 26th February
Borussia Dortmund v 1899 Hoffenheim
Stuttgart v Carl Zeiss Jena
Wednesday 27th February
Wolfsburg v Hamburg
Bayern Munich v 1860 Munich



Borussia Dortmund – 1899 Hoffenheim
Thomas Doll’s Dortmund go looking for their first Cup triumph since 1989 but second division Hoffenheim stand in their way of a semi-final appearance.
BVB had a comfortable 4-1 away win over Magdeburg in the first round and then came from behind to beat Eintracht Frankfurt in the second round. In the round of 16 they overcame Bundesliga rivals Werder Bremen 2-1 to set up this quarter-final clash.
Hoffenheim are just outside the promotion places in the second division and travel to Dortmund on the back of a 2-0 home win over promotion rivals Freiburg.
The second division side needed extra time in the first round to beat Augsburg and then beat Greuther Furth in the second round. They then overcame Bundesliga Hansa Rostock in the last round, but face their biggest test on Tuesday against Dortmund.

Stuttgart – Carl Zeiss Jena
Last year’s beaten finalists are looking to go one better this year and lift the German Cup for the fourth time in their history.
The Swabians made heavy work of beating SV Wehen Wiesbaden in the first round, needing an injury time penalty from Roberto Hilbert to win. They needed extra-time in the next round against Paderborn with a goal from Mario Gomez two minutes from the end saving them from a penalty shoot-out.
Armin Veh’s side then played Werder Bremen II winning 3-2 although the win was more comfortable than the scoreline suggests.
The East German side’s Cup form stands in stark contrast to their league form. Henning Bürger’s side currently lie in the bottom four and will face a play-off at the end of the season if things don’t improve. They did however take a point from promotion chasing Mainz at the weekend.
Jena overcame FC Gera 03 in the first round, and then knocked out Cup holders Nürnberg on penalties in the next round. The round of 16 saw them up against another struggling Bundesliga club in Bielefeld. They needed extra time, but they prevailed 2-1 thanks to late penalty from Jan Simak.

Wolfsburg – Hamburg
The only all-Bundesliga clash of the quarter finals sees Felix Magath’s Wolfsburg entertaining Hamburg. The league match between the two in September ended 2-2 so there is not much between the two sides.
The ‘Wolves’ beat Würzburg with ease in the first round before a narrow 1-0 win away at high flying Karlsruhe in round two. Last time out they beat Schalke on penalties after the game had finished 1-1 following Karimov’s injury time equaliser.
Title contenders HSV thrashed Holstein Kiel 5-0 in round one before a 3-1 win over Freiburg in round to. In the round of 16 they defeated Rot-Weiss Essen 3-0 away from home.
Wolfsburg have been beaten finalists once, whereas Hamburg have won the Cup three times, the last being in 1987.


Bayern Munich – 1860 Munich
The most attractive tie of the rounds pits traditional Munich rivals Bayern with 1860. The Munich derby is a mouth-watering tie under normal circumstances, but when second division plays first with a place in the semi-final of the cup the prize, it is all the more interesting.
Bayern have lifted the trophy a record 13 times whereas their city rivals only have two wins to their name in 1942 and 1964.
Ottmar Hitzfeld’s side have been tested throughout this season’s competition as they aim for a league and cup double. They needed a penalty shoot out and some goalkeeping heroics from Oliver Kahn to get through their first round tie against Wacker Burghausen.
The second round paired them with traditional rivals Borussia Mönchengladbach but they on 3-1 to set up a last 16 tie with Wuppertal, which they won 5-2, although it was 2-2 at half time.
1860 have beaten SC Verl, FSV Mainz and Alemannia Aachen on the way to their quarter final clash with Bayern.

Mathew Burt



1860 - Bayern! Hope its going to be a great game because thats the one ZDF will show.

We should be able to beat Jena...but you never know...anything can happen. :ninja I can see Wolfsburg - Hamburg going to penalty shootout. Dortmund to beat the Hoffenheim Millionaires.

[Valmiki]

Jena is winning 1-0 at VFB with less than 20 minutes to go

[Valmiki]

Gomez with the equaliser in the 81st minute ----

[Valmiki]

Gomez again in extra time ---- now 2-1 to VFB

[Coldplay]

Jena isn't bad at all compared to Stuttgart.

They really deserve some respect.

[iowaplasticpaddy]

Jena isn't bad at all compared to Stuttgart.

They really deserve some respect.second to last in the 2. BL, big respect:ninja

[Valmiki]

OMG!!! a Jena equaliser late in extra time!!!! 2-2

[Valmiki]

The East Germans won on penalties!!!!!

[iowaplasticpaddy]

The East Germans won on penalties!!!!!die Ossis:nod
a suprise\ to say the least, hopefully 1860 can pull off another upset:drinkbeer

[Timonator]

wow. i just came from the stadium and i dont know what to say.

right now, i m just sad and disappointed. :(:(:( poor gomez, he fights like a hero and rips his ass off, plays half crippled and the whole team pays him back how?! they blow it in the last minute. mother****ers.
i really cannot believe this. though its a reflection of our season. nothing works and we cant even beat jena.

i m served.

[Mertesacker]

Woohoo, Jena has always been my favourite East-German team so I'm happy they won.

[Schwalker]

Timo..Last season everything went your way, but there must be a balance somewhere, a price to pay somehow.

After a party there is a sore head...;)

[Distant Voices]

My Granny could score against that VFB defence at the moment


Shame-I thought we had a big chance to win the pokal

[Mertesacker]

Timo..Last season everything went your way, but there must be a balance somewhere, a price to pay somehow.

After a party there is a sore head...;)


Exactly, I would even accept relegation for winning the Bundesliga title that's also why I don't feel sorry in the least for Stuttgart fans.

[Timonator]

It's always the same with Stuttgart, we win the league and the following season will be crappy as hell. After winning the league, our aspiration should be to stay on top of the table, instead we arent even sure if we'll make a Uefa-Cup qualification.

It's pissing me off that we work so hard and achieve something like winning the league and then in the next moment we give it all away and have start at 0 again.

This ******* story repeats itself almost 50 years now and i m so sick of it. We're building up a great team and we destroy it again. We're building up youngsters and they leave us time and time again, because we cant get our ******* act together AND hold our position on top of the table...like Werder Bremen is doing since they won the league 03/04.

Gomez will leave us too...if not next season then the year after. Right now I hate this ****. Up and down. Up and down. I'd rather have us playing in the midfield of the leauge instead of facing this rollercoaster ever 3rd year.

[/rantover]

[Schwalker]

Well...It might be true Timo but VfB are not willing to commit themselves to building a dynasty, not financially at least.


Or rather..not until the club earn more money i.e control their own stadium.

[Timonator]

^i know Schwal. the best example: the city is throwing so many stones in our way concerning the new stadium its not funny anymore. The city and the club dont pull together which is just typical.

i also know that i cannot complain after last season but i (and VfB fans in general) have the right to complain about how the club handles things after we win something or finished on the upper half of the table. the potential is there to become a 2nd Werder Bremen, but we never use it because of our philosophy and the way the club is run since my grandpa can think.

lol and if you think i dont love my club anymore because of this you are wrong! i will always be there to support my club but i just felt the need to "let it all" out.

[Timonator]

And since i m such a caring guy ;) , i uploaded the highlights of the game for those living abroad:

http://www.dailymotion.com/Timonator88/video/7587969
(ARD, german commentator)

0:1 Werner (32.)
1:1 Gomez (81.)
2:1 Gomez (94.)
2:2 Müller (120.)

pen.-shootout:
1:0 Pardo
1:1 Müller
2:1 Hilbert
2:2 Werner
3:2 Cacau
3:3 Saka
da Silva did a "Beckham" and shot the ball on the moon
3:4 Simak
4:4 Hitzlsperger
4:5 Ziegner

[Distant Voices]

Stuttgart Stuttgart Stuttgart

A few things have happened this season which has impacted the team and is the reason why VFB are struggling

Meira-on and off the field problems which I have commented on before
Hildebrand's departure
The lack of quality experienced signings (I cannot think of any except Basturk-which is a disgrace as CL money was going to come in and the chance for some players to play in the CL)
Marica
Injuries early on in the season-half the team were missing at Hamburg
The terrible form of Tasci and Khedira

Need I go on-and maybe we are becoming Bremen-just look at the players they let go- Ailton, Frings, Ernst, Pizarro, Rost, Magnin, Stalteri
Add in Leverkusen too-we will always be a feeder club.

Typical Swabian-but I honestly do not think VFB need a new stadium.
The new stadium could be huge cost financially which could finish the club.
Even rich Liverpool are having problems with their new stadium and the costs.

[Timonator]

The only difference is, that Bremen managed to buy equal replacements! As good as our youth system is, our transfer policy has been beneath contempt (and that for years)!

Just to mention a few:

- yakin
- schäfer
- ewerthon
- farnerud
- tomasson
- gronkjear
- elson
- ljuboja
- carevic

etc.

awful list, and those player arent even that bad, but they simply didnt (or dont) fit to Stuttgart! I pretty much agree with all of your points David. I'm not even blaming Tasci or Khedira. They play their 2nd season now, and its only normal to go through a bad phase especially for young guns. Right from the start, we could never compensate poor form of the youngsters and injuries because we lacked some quality signings. simple as that.

[Distant Voices]

What about Gledson? Why sign him and then not pay him?

What ever happened the two Argentinian players Magath signed?
They were on the reservebank for six months and then disappear!

[Timonator]

Gledson already moved back to Rostock in the winterbreak! He definitely belongs to the list...Armin Veh was never a fan of him so that explains why he never played.

The only argentinian i remember was Centurion who also flopped (paid 2m Euro for him).

[Schwalker]

^i know Schwal. the best example: the city is throwing so many stones in our way concerning the new stadium its not funny anymore. The city and the club dont pull together which is just typical.

That´s also one thing....VfB never managed to convert it´s popularity into political power in Stuttgart.
Can you imagine the München city council treating Bayern like that?
Or that Bremen, Hamburg or even Frankfurt would have to win everyones favor to ensure a suitable stadium deal?
As for Schalke and Leverkusen they practically rule their hometowns...There will never be a politician daring to speak out against their plans, it would be political suicide.


And that´s your closest rivals Timo..

[Borussia Wolf]

BERLIN, BERLIN, BERLIN, WIR FAHREN NACH BERLIN!!!!!

As for VfB. If the fans don't turn up the players won't. Only 15000 for a cup quarter final is a disgrace! BVB had over 50000 and they created a great atmosphere against a tough opponent. Atmosphere on TV for Stuttgart seemed abysmal.

[Timonator]

^ Wolf, you cannot compare a town like Stuttgart with Dortmund. People here dont have the nerve to go to a game in the evening when they worked 12 hours before. It's a totally different mentality down here.

Those who were in the stadium, are the real Stuttgart fans. Thats where you can separate the wheat from the chaff. I dont mind the "Sesselfurzer" from the Hauptribüne staying at home...all they do in the whole 90min is railing against the team...

[Borussia Wolf]

What is the difference between Dortmund and Stuttgart - the BVB fans also worked yesterday.

It was a quarter final, um Gottes willen!

[Gerry_BMG]

Never disliked Dortmund, but somehow I dislike the team and all this overanxious, overexpecting mentality the fans have. Also the team of individualists who are no team. Doll shows, at least for me, that he is not a good coach to form a unity in a team. People talk about mercenaries at WOlfsburg, but I see more of a team at Wolfsburg then at Dortmund. I wouldnt mind if they will crush out in semis so that they will not get an european spot next season.

Stuttgart, lol. what a shame this must be for the team. I mean it was not the first or second round away to a minor club, it was the quarter final at home. I have to repeat this again, when I see how Gomez acts like he is awesome after scoring and almost ignoring the other players it is slight indicator that Stuttgart is not a homogneous and fighting for each other team anymore. Thats maybe the biggest problem they have this season.

[Timonator]

BWolf, football is not a religion here. It's something you do in your free time on the weekend. Most people do not take it as serious as the people living in the Ruhrpott. Football is not a purose of life here. Dont pretend like you dont know what i mean.

Gerry, I have to disagree with what you said about Gomez. You are reading way too much into it. He is doing his "celebration" and then ALWAYS goes to his teammates to thank them. He's doing it like that for quite a while now. Just look at these pics:

Jumped from the bench to be first to congratulate Cacau:
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1079/ikjhlikom3.bmp http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8180/79954720jg1.jpg

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4893/79795402ea9.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6082/79680546aq4.jpg

[Gerry_BMG]

maybe I read to much into this. ;)
but dont you think they would have such a "bad" season, if the team would work together like last season? yes, I try to find indicators in these things ;)

[Timonator]

well, i cant tell you the reasons. i dont know the team from inside, but what i noticed is that the team acts complacent in many situations. For example, when we are leading 2-0 we do nothing to secure this lead. We play casual and give the opponent way too much freedom. It's clearly a head problem imo and things that worked last year, dont work this year anymore. Many of the player havent processed the Meisterschaft imo.

[Timonator]

back on topic.


Golfsburg 1-0
:ninja

come on hamburg!

[Timonator]

1-1

Extra time now.

[Timonator]

Unbelievable!

both teams hit the post within 1 minute! Hamburg is unlucky, they wasted so many chances.

[Mertesacker]

Well, that's what you get for wasting so many chances.
Golfsburg will get Jena in the semis now and make it to the finals.

I think I'm going to puke.

[Timonator]

Marcelinho scored
2-1 :ninja

110min played

**** Reinhardt scored right after Marcelinho scored, but was called offside!

[Mertesacker]

The Bender brothers facing Kroos. Gebhart is only 18 as well.

[Timonator]

Kroos fouls Bender :D lovely!

Nice to see a few young guns from begining.

[iowaplasticpaddy]

sweet i got a stream workin

but celtic are playin right now, lol

[Timonator]

TONIIII KROOOSSS what a chance!

lmao that was kinda cute! he absolutely froze there! :D But damn his passing is great...he can play those dead passes and crosses you normally see from a classy experienced player.

[ACBerb]

TONIIII KROOOSSS...he can play those dead passes and crosses you normally see from a classy experienced player.

Easy T-man, or we are gonna have to listen to VDV talk about how he should have been in the National Teams Senior side 3 years ago!
:ninja

[Borussia Wolf]

So, its not a religion in Stuttgart? I saw all the fans partying on the streets when you won the title last season. Where are they now?

Regardless of what you said Timo, 15000 was a poor show

[iowaplasticpaddy]

i just saw Kroos' chance

lol!!!!

[Mertesacker]

Chhunly Pagenburg on now for 1860. I'd like to know the average age of the squad.

[Timonator]

So, its not a religion in Stuttgart? I saw all the fans partying on the streets when you won the title last season. Where are they now?

Regardless of what you said Timo, 15000 was a poor show

yes, 70% of those 250.000 people were glory hunting bastards and dont tell me those "fans" dont exist in Dortmund. They do, and many people who dont care about football would celebrate the title.

You act like its my fault that only 15000 were in the stadium. I DONT care what others think of our attendance. I was there and thats all i need to know.


**** :( poor Bierofka. He seems to be injured badly. After all he's been through...hope he's alright.

[Mertesacker]

Yes, Bierofka is an unlucky bastard, that looked terrible.

[Timonator]

YELLLOW RED LUCA TONI!!!

:o

ohaaa now its getting interesting!

[Red_ef]

**** decision by the ref

[Red_ef]

that was an obvious penalty

[ACBerb]

Woohoo, Jena has always been my favourite East-German team so I'm happy they won.

Mert. I take it you never bumped into this guy at one of their games then eh?
Note where he is from!
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/080226/odds/odd_hitler_dc

[Mertesacker]

Gebhard has potential.
1860 sure knows how to find diamonds.

[Timonator]

Tense GAME!

Extra time!

woohoooo

[Mertesacker]

They just said Bierofka's injury is serious.
Sucks for him and 1860.

He's cursed.

Gebhart is really good, I'm surprised.

Does he play for any junior NT teams?

[Timonator]

wow the ref has lost it!

Ribery doesnt need such stupid acting. diving like this pisses me off.

10min til penalty shootout.

[iowaplasticpaddy]

wow, what the **** is Ribery doing?

and my respect for him just went plummeting

[Mertesacker]

Can Ribery be punished later for that?

[iowaplasticpaddy]

Can Ribery be punished later for that?i realllllly hope so

[Timonator]

well, this would be new to me, because when did someone get punished for diving?

Kahn definitely has the upper hand when it comes to penalty shooting. I think Bayern will win nevertheless. Extremly exciting match, cudos to 1860, they fight like hell and give their all. :bowing

[Timonator]

PENNNN
oh my god that is so typical!!!!

[Red_ef]

HAHA YES GREAT PEN BY Ribery!!!

[Timonator]

**** 1-0 bEIERn

:(

reminds me of yesterday. that is so frikkin bayern typical. although, if we consider all the mistakes the ref made it is deserved. still sucks.

[iowaplasticpaddy]

I

Hate

Bayern

so much

[Red_ef]

disgusting tackle!!!

[iowaplasticpaddy]

disgusting tackle!!!disgusting club

[Mertesacker]

Sucks that it was Ribery of all people that cheat.
That was such a disgusting act by him.

[Gerry_BMG]

I dont think bayern deserved a penalty. Lucios foul was a normal one-on-one. Hoeness cries to much for my liking lately. As if refs are turning against them. Also Tonis 2nd yellow card was ok since I think he saw that Toni tried to kick the other player. Overall it was not undeserved, but I would have liked to see a penalty-shoot-out.

[Timonator]

^yeah I'd like to have seen PSO too. :( oh well. i still think bayern would have made it through.

I'm ignoring Hoeness crying, "Bayern is always the victim" blablabla. Dont take it seriously anymore.

[Schwalker]

Typical derby game....

[iowaplasticpaddy]

^yeah I'd like to have seen PSO too. :( oh well. i still think bayern would have made it through.

I'm ignoring Hoeness crying, "Bayern is always the victim" blablabla. Dont take it seriously anymore.well they are!!!1!!!!!11111

[iowaplasticpaddy]

ZDF's post game is so awkward

"Ok boys, how bout this, we'll take the two coaches, show them controversial decisions, and ask them if they think it was right or wrong. ESPECIALLY, if it's obvious" (like the tackle on podolski NOT being a penelty, or Ribery getting "shot")

[Timonator]

LOL ^thats pretty normal after a cup game! Premiere does the same thing after a Bundesliga game. Sometimes its pretty funny when the coaches disagree with each other because they're both biased.

[Mertesacker]

Both teams I wanted to advance are out and both in stupid fashion.

[iowaplasticpaddy]

LOL ^thats pretty normal after a cup game! Premiere does the same thing after a Bundesliga game. Sometimes its pretty funny when the coaches disagree with each other because they're both biased.today, you could tell that Hitzfeld knew it wasnt a penelty and was jumping around the question

[Al_the drummer]

Not the best quality match I've ever seen. Credit to 1860, the coach nailed his tactics and they set out to stop Bayern which they did very well. Bayern however were for the most part, awful. Their best player for me was Kroos, except for missing 'that chance' he did everything perfectly. Actually his awareness, close control and general attitude are astounding, very calm on the ball and his passing and delivery, the best I've ever seen from a German youngster. Podolski was poor today and I got a bit tired of Toni flailing his arms around like a damn traffic cop until he got sent off, get on with the fukkin game Luca.

You have to feel sorry for Bierofka and that horrific injury, I did something similar years ago playing football by landing awkwardly on my ankle, the pain is beyond words and my heart goes out to him. During the game he didn't look out of his depth at all, I'll always wonder what 'might have been' for Bierofka, he always seemed to have a little something extra skill wise compared to your average BL midfielder.

[Timonator]

^Kroos passing is exceptional. You just see the difference when you compare him to other player of his age.

Shame about Bierofka. He almost had to end his career when he played for us. Looks like he picked up a similar injury. His ankles are ****ed up. Get well soon Daniel.

[VanDerVaart]

Easy T-man, or we are gonna have to listen to VDV talk about how he should have been in the National Teams Senior side 3 years ago!
:ninja
That's sillyness... He should have played in the NT since he was 13. I'm going to take the piss in a few years when he's in the NT destroying opponents. :cool

Anyways, only saw last 20 minutes of the game, and I was absolutely "disgusted" by Ribery's action... It was pathetic and I don't want to EVER see that ridiculous action from him again. Toni always pisses me off when he's playing due to his annoying diving and he always falls in the ground for no reason (no suprise..). Ribery usually doesn't do this sort of thing, and I hope he never does it again. Great penalties by him by the way :clap, it would have been nice if Lahm scored that after crossing 5 players though 117th minute.. :handbags Penalty, not sure if it really was a penalty, need to see it again.

Also, I don't blame Uli for his continous whyning about the refs screwing us this season, because it has happened A LOT. Our damn problem which has been the whole season, nothing at all from the right. Lahm and Ribery dismanttle teams on the left, but now teams start to mark the crap out of those 2, and the right is hopeless whoever plays which is dissapointing. (quaresma :P) Would have liked to see penalties also, only if we won however.

[Timonator]

^But its not only Bayern who have to deal with the decisions of the referees. How many times have refs whistled against us (or other teams) this season? I stopped counting!
It happens, and it happens to all teams. Difference is that Uli Hoeness words have more power in the media and that will lead to referees giving Bayern favours someday or allowing too much on bayerns behalf...

[VanDerVaart]

We have been screwed much much more times than helped by the refs this season. If it was normal, we would already be undisputed winners in Bundesliga, far ahead of the pack. It matters not like you said though and I do know also, it happens to all teams. Uli likes to talk too much, that is why he is disliked so much, that and he works for Bayern Munich. He sometimes also says the cold truth that usually others have no balls to say which also results in people getting pissed at him (similar to Mourinho in certain times). All I can say is I'm glad we won, and hopefully the semi games will be entertaining! That's all I hope, also for Bayern winning it! :) I think Stuttgart lost today, sorry for that Timo.

[Borussia Wolf]

Bayern were very poor last night. They lacked ideas, looked tired and if they don't sort this out they'll have problems in the weeks ahead.

Some other points:

Klose is truly out of form, maybe Poldi should get a run in the team.
Kroos is not as good as you all think he is.
Ribery is a class footballer, but an awful role model.
There is so much mediocrity in the Bayern squad.

Still, I hope we avoid Bayern in the semis - would be nice to beat them in Berlin instead.

[Al_the drummer]

Kroos is not as good as you all think he is.


In part, I agree because the hype was so massive at first. He's only 18 though and I've seen a fair bit of him now to judge what 'kind' of player he may turn out to be. All the initial crap about comparisons to Zidane and all these other mammoth players are just hype.

First of all, he's no samba-samba skill machine like *some* people were saying, his first instinct when he gets the ball is a through, forward pass and IMO he does this extremely well. He also seems physically strong enough to hold it up and bring others into play, an overlooked skill for offensive midfielders. On the ball he has excellent technique and close control but rarely does he look to take on his man. I think his most impressive asset is his awareness of team-mates and anticipating forward runs, also his composure on the ball which is simply beyond his years.

Having made the initial statement would you care to explain why you don't think he's very good wolf? I think you're jealous because Germany have uneartherd their very own 'golden balls'.

[Borussia Wolf]

I didn't say he isn't good, I just think (like you) that the hype is well and truly over the top. Rooney for example was ten times better at that age, and he still isn't the new Zidane.

Kroos is the new Bastian Schweinsteiger! ;)

[matrix666777]

Rooney ten times better????
As you may have noticed I never hype young players and never talked about Kroos before...from what I have seen of Kroos I think he may be the leader of the German NT in some years but it may not...depends on a lot of factors.
But Rooney was/is an overrated player like most of england players as confirmed by you right now...

[Borussia Wolf]

Rooney was 18 at the Euro Championships in 2004 and was argubly the best player in the tournamnet until he broke his foot. Kroos is not there yet!

[matrix666777]

is not there yet it's not the same as ten times better...

[mirror]

It's meaningless to compare Roony with Kroos. Two players with different features play different positions on the pitch. The best position for Kroos is the “brain” of midfield. And which National Team will choose such a young boy as their team leader? But a striker is different, who can be used as a super sub for his speed and physical power.
Age is not a problem. Being in EC or WC at an early age doesn’t mean much, especially for Germans. However, who knew Zidane when he was 18?

[Mertesacker]

Over 10.000.000 Germans watched the Munich derby last night, quite impressive.

[iowaplasticpaddy]

Over 10.000.000 Germans watched the Munich derby last night, quite impressive.one more reason ZDF or other free tv channels need the bundesliga

[Borussia Wolf]

Agree with that. The appetite for football here is huge, but the Germans are too tight to stump up for Premiere.

[Distant Voices]

Not sure if Germans are too tight-maybe more mature!

In England-if the big 4 were playing Accrington Stanley in the Intertoto cup 40,000 would show up at 30 pounds a ticket-millions on tv.
As a result the fans no longer have any say or control over their (America/Russian owned)clubs-that would never happen in Germany as thankfully the money is not there.

[Distant Voices]

doppel post

[Timonator]

just watched the semi final draw:

They meet each other in the semi final:

bEIERn - VW
Doofmund - Simak aka Jena


Just what i hoped. Dortmund and Bayern to reach the final.

[iowaplasticpaddy]

when are the games then?

[Timonator]

18/19th March.

both games will be shown live on TV here.

[Schwalker]

I wouldn´t underestimate Jena or WoB....It´s their one and only chance for some glory

[VanDerVaart]

Damn it, I wanted Dortmund on the semis, I want to kick their ass before they even reach the finals :devil

[Borussia Wolf]

I hope Bayern win and play BVB in the final. Regardless of the result, we will be in the UEFA Cup. Wahey!