i cannot believe this

[Timonator]

FRINGS IS OUT AGAIN! It's the same injury AGAIN!!!!! His damn ligament torn the 3rd time in row now. it pisses me off big time.

Are there amateurs working in the medical department of Bremen?! These doctors must be worse than ours.

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Fassungslosigkeit in Bremen. Nationalspieler Torsten Frings, der gerade erst wieder ins Mannschaftstraining eingestiegen war, fällt erneut für sechs bis acht Wochen aus. Wie eine Kernspinuntersuchung am Dienstag ergab, ist das Innenband des zuvor lädierten rechten Knies an einer anderen Stelle erneut eingerissen. "Kurz vor dem Rückrundenstart ist das ein heftiger Rückschlag", sagte Werder-Kapitän Frank Baumann.

6 or 8 weeks out. sdlöfjasldkfj.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

time is running away we cannot afford to lose one of our most important player. (talking about the NT here)

[Mertesacker]

Maybe it's not the docotors but his body.
Every body is different, maybe his can't take it anymore. Would be sad.

This will be hard for him to overcome, both physically and mentally.

[Timonator]

I dont know, it's always the same injury. Cant judge whether its his body or the doctors but someones doing something wrong. You dont have the same injury 3 times in row just like that. Maybe his rehab programme is not right for his knee? Frings is a fighter and i m sure he is worked like an idiot for his comeback. i can imagine he forced it too much.

This must be extremely frustrating for him. It is frustrating for me anyway.

[Borussia Wolf]

I am not a fan of Frings. He was the first to leave the sinking ship after BVB nearly went bankrupt.

That said, it aint looking good for him. Similar situation to Jens Nowotny in that the same type of injury keeps coming back. One more chance I'd say and then its goodnight Torsten Frings.

[Timonator]

Now lets say worst cenario comes true and he'll miss the Euro. Who will replace him?

What about Rolfes? I mean he's played very well this season and was extremely reliable. the downside, we dont know what he's able to do against top nations in the Euro.

Then we have Kehl, who's still recovering, Khedira who is too young and struggling to find his form, we all know Löw is found of Hitzlsperger playing as "6" and i have a lot of faith in him and believe he can do it one day but imo he is not ready yet. Also Ernst comes to my mind but i m not convinced when i think about him.

Any other options?

[Schwalker]

Now lets say worst cenario comes true and he'll miss the Euro. Who will replace him?

What about Rolfes? I mean he's played very well this season and was extremely reliable. the downside, we dont know what he's able to do against top nations in the Euro.

Then we have Kehl, who's still recovering, Khedira who is too young and struggling to find his form, we all know Löw is found of Hitzlsperger playing as "6" and i have a lot of faith in him and believe he can do it one day but imo he is not ready yet. Also Ernst comes to my mind but i m not convinced when i think about him.

Any other options?


Jermaine Jones....:clap

Ernst is reliable but no, Hitz..well, you can judge him better than me.

[SlantNGo]

Hitzlsperger is probably the best option. If Borowski can find his form again, maybe move Ballack back into more of a defensive role then play Borowski as the more attacking CMF?

[VanDerVaart]

Jones or Hitz man, they can do it.

[jordankhamra]

I had a feeling this was going to happen. Good news is that there is more than enough time for him to recover, play and get ready for the Euros. Hopefully this will be the last injury for a while.

[Valmiki]

There is still enough time for Frings to recover 100% and be match fit in time for EURO 2008. Let's hope the injury does not occur again.

[Red_ef]

Jermain Jones or Boateng could replace him, he is better than both though

[Mertesacker]

I'd like:

-------------------Jens-------------------
Lahm-----Metze-------Merte-----Jansen
----------------Ballack----------------
Schneider--Rolfes/Jones(depending on the opponent)--Hitz
----------Podolski------Klose----------

Rolfes is a little bit more attacking than Jones so maybe Löw would consider this.
It will also be interesting to see how Kehl does with Dortmund in the upcoming games.

[Timonator]

very nice, if Frings should be out I definitely think the starting 11 you posted is a good solution.

I just hope Frings makes it back in time and hopefully it will be his last injury before the Euro. Otherwise we are almost screwed. IMO he is one of the most important player and the national team needs him and his experience to win against the big teams. He should be fit though. A half crippled Frings wont help the team.


this sucks.

[The Exchanger]

3 main problems should be solved..
1- we have players struggling with injuries..
2- players that are subs in their teams..
3- players not on form..

regarding frings situation.. i think plan B should be Hitzlsperger..

[derejekissi]

I presume the injury problem of Frings is more related to poor medical department than otherwise because most Bremen players can not get back to full fitness in time and Wome's and Owomoyela's problems are cases in point.If Bremen's Medical Department fixes Frings's recuperation time between 6 and eight weeks, I guess he may not be back to team training until after 2 months because as a rule of tumb in this club, players get back to training longer than scheduled by the Medical doctors. It is overly annoying to hear the same problem happening to the same influencial player thrice in 7 months.Let us all wish him speedy recovery .

[Coldplay]

Rolfes has pretty good long shots and excellent positioning, imo a good replacement of Frings from what i can choose so far. and he is HUGe too, which means he is better in the air than other options we have

but Frings is actually irreplacable. If we'd move Hitz in the centre then we should fid another left ewinger asap, since schweinsteiger is not convincing at all and hitz has became our first choice left wing after Schweini's slump in form. I m sure if Frings missed Euro, there will be a lot of changes in the starting lineup.
Maybe Jansen moving up to LW and Hitz in the middle will be the solution huh?

Then, we still have Schneider who has injured for a long time, its time for hilbert and Casto to step up

[Borussia Wolf]

I presume the injury problem of Frings is more related to poor medical department than otherwise because most Bremen players can not get back to full fitness in time and Wome's and Owomoyela's problems are cases in point.If Bremen's Medical Department fixes Frings's recuperation time between 6 and eight weeks, I guess he may not be back to team training until after 2 months because as a rule of tumb in this club, players get back to training longer than scheduled by the Medical doctors. It is overly annoying to hear the same problem happening to the same influencial player thrice in 7 months.Let us all wish him speedy recovery .

Frings has got weak ligaments and this is not a fault of the medical department at Werder. When he was at BVB he had ligament damage - more than once if I am not mistaken.

I'd say it seems highly unlikely that Frings will come back as the palyer he was. He'd always be worrying about the next injury, and he isn't a spring chicken either.

[scorpion2a]

I work in the field of medicine (Endoscopy), and to my understanding the nature of Frings' injury is very likely to become chronic.. AKA a non-healing or relapsing injury. We have many examples for such condition, and the nearest one was Deisler. The problem is that Frings is already aging and his tissues is lacking a powerful regeneration capacity. I'll try to post diagrams for this injury.

[Borussia Wolf]

I'll try to post diagrams for this injury.

Think we can be spared the details. :rolleyes:

[FCBM Chris]

well Bayern's doctors helped Deisler actually make it back in good shape. and why Deisler quit was more personal than anything. he had severe self-esteem problems as it is. he's publicy known as being depressed a lot. and when you think like that it certainly doesnt help your body. a depressed person is more injury prone than a happy one.. if i were Frings i'd go elsewhere.. at this point i'd be willing to try anything else.

[Timonator]

Deisler had psychological problems...thats why he quit in the end.

Chris, you know Frings well! He said in an interview that he wont do rehab in Bremen again. He said he will do it somewhere else...

[intotheforest]

I still think the guy is coming back when he isn't even fit. This is idiocy and I can't believe the medical staff and Frings himself are happy to continue to do this. I have said in here before, Frings persistance to do this will end his career.

[Celticrugby]

The Grant Hill of German soccer eh?

[FCBM Chris]

well i'm not boasting.. but seriously. we know who has the one of the best medical staffs in Germany(and probably the world). he's been there before. i dont see why he shouldnt go back. Bayern.. Bayern's medical team has to deal with the most injuries in the BL per season.. and look how fast we get our players back and they stay healthy.. and we've certainly had our fair share of injury prone people to deal with too.

[FCBM Chris]

no.. Deisler still takes the cake really. he spent a lot longer time off the pitch than Frings has.

[Faram|R]

Any other options?
1. Jermaine Jones
2. Simon Rolfes
3. Hitz
4. Kehl
5. KP Boateng?

.... anyway I hope Frings will be in the final squad... and fully fit

[FCBM Chris]

maybe old Lothar will come back :ninja

[scorpion2a]

Hitzlsperger is our most obvious option so far. Kehl was Frings' replacement last WC but has spent so much time off the pitch so I can scratch him out.
Rolfes is my next pick after Hitz'ger.
Then comes Ernst. Hasn't been so prominent this season but hmmm.. I prefer those with experience over inexperienced youngsters.

maybe old Lothar will come back :ninja
:huh: LOL

[Mertesacker]

Ernst retired from the NT.
And there is no reason to scratch Kehl out if he plays a dominant 'Rückrunde'.

The thing is if Hitz plays over Schweinsteiger who hasn't had a good game on the left in years on the left wing than he won't be able to take over Fring's spot as well.

[-Orion-]

Quality player, this seems like one of those injuries that might cut his career short to be honest with you, Redondo style

[Timonator]

25.01.2008, 19:52 UhrNews
Frings wieder im Lauftraining


Werder-Profi Torsten Frings hat nur wenige Tage nach seiner erneuten Knieverletzung wieder das Lauftraining aufgenommen. Am Freitag absolvierte er eine erste Einheit mit einem Physiotherapeuten der Werderaner. In Abstimmung mit Mannschaftsarzt Dr. Götz Dimanski wird er Teile der weiteren Rehabilitation bei Klaus Eder in Donaustauf absolvieren. Damit setzt der Mittelfeldspieler wie zuletzt auch auf die Erfahrung des Physiotherapeuten der deutschen Nationalmannschaft.

Mit völligem Unverständnis reagierte der 31-Jährige deshalb auf die in den Medien kolportierten Forderungen nach engerer Zusammenarbeit zwischen Werder Bremen und dem Deutschen Fußball Bund (DFB). "Diese Kooperation besteht doch schon seit Jahren. Bei größeren Verletzungen sitzen doch alle an einem Tisch und stimmen die wichtigsten Reha-Maßnahmen gemeinsam ab. So war Dr. Müller-Wohlfahrt auch an der Entscheidung für eine Ruhigstellung per Gips beteiligt, mit der meine letzte Knieverletzung behandelt worden war. Bei der Bewältigung jeder Verletzung meiner Karriere waren immer die Ärzte des Vereins und der Nationalmannschaft involviert."

Für Frings war das Comeback im Januar alles andere als eine überhastete Rückkehr. Für ihn ist der Wiedereinstieg nach drei Monaten Pause immer noch die richtige Entscheidung gewesen: "Ich habe die Belastungen im Trainingslager überstanden und es hat auch nach dem Testspieleinsatz in Düsseldorf überhaupt keine Warnsignale des Bandes gegeben. Ich habe ohne Wenn und Aber volles Vertrauen in unseren Mannschaftsarzt."

Frings neues Reha-Programm wird keine revolutionären Therapien enthalten. "Wie zuvor auch, wird es ein Maßnahmenkatalog geben, der dieser Verletzung gerecht wird", sagte Werders Mannschaftsarzt Dr. Götz Dimanski, der mit seinen Kollegen in München und Donaustauf weiterhin eng vernetzt arbeitet.

Der Mediziner beschreibt die neuerliche Knieverletzung als "nicht vorhersehbares Unglück". "Es gibt auch beim heutigen Stand der Technik kein Mittel und keine Methode, die verlässliche Aussagen darüber garantiert, wann ein verletztes Band wieder jeglicher Belastung standhält. Man kann nie sagen, dass ein Band unreißbar ist", so Dimanski.
Seit Jahren lassen sich verletzte Werder-Profis sowohl im "Sporthep", der medizinischen Einrichtung der Bremer, als auch in Donaustauf behandeln. So waren neben Torsten Frings zuletzt auch Patrick Owomoyela und Clemens Fritz dort im Einsatz. Auch Per Mertesacker gehört zu den regelmäßigen Besuchern der Einrichtung von Klaus Eder.


According to this article from the Werder homepage, he's already running again! :laugh Frings also says, he didnt feel like he rushed anything and that the doctors were not at fault. He is doing rehab in Donaustauf, where many footballer go to when they're injured. Let's hope for a good AND successful recovery.

[intotheforest]

Quality player, this seems like one of those injuries that might cut his career short to be honest with you, Redondo style

I don't think it is as bad as that, yet. Redondo was a similar age when his knee gave him his career and practically forced him into semi-retirement. Frings however is 31 and his knee isn't half as bad as Redondo. TBH though Redondo was at a time when he was his most effective, FRings is ATM but in all honesty the Euro will be his last major Germany tournement before I think he is made a squad player in the NT. TBH if it does get worse come WC2010 when the likes of Hitz and Jones have progressed further, maybe he won't be as warranted.

Amazing story Timo. From 6-8 weeks to running less than a week on. I think he is getting rushed back and the things he has said are a load of BS! With Werder in such hot pursuit of Bayern, they need everyone fit and ready, particularly the likes of Frings. They need to realise that if they want him to stay in for a prolonged period they have to be patient and let him get a few reserve games under his belt before proceeding. It is a way they can keep up with Bayern and IMO they have enough depth to last until Frings comes back. They could have Baumann and Diego in the middle with Borowski out on the right and maybe try Jensen on the left. IT would be enough to keep up the heat before Frings' remerges.

[Timonator]

Yeah i absolutely agree Ben.

Though i doubt he learned something from the last 2 setbacks! The thing with Frings is that he is stubborn, impatient and ambitious. He'd tell them he is ready to play while he is not. Thats where the doctors should come in and convince him to start things more slowly...i hope there wont be any setbacks this time.

[-Orion-]

Yea u make good points man, it's not that bad yet, I dunno, I just saw it going that way 'cuz of all the injuries he's having...but then people wrote off Ronaldo, and he only came back and scored twice like it's nobody's business...so I wasn't writing him off, just airing my suspicion it could be nasty...but that story just posted is pretty reassuring, all the best for him

Redondo tho...don't even get me started...this was a guy who had the passing of Pirlo and the strength of Gattuso...he could've gone down as one of the best midfielders of all time IMO, if it hadn't been for the injuries...no exaggeration...but that's just my opinion, not really one I hear shared by that many, but as far as I'm concerned he had that much to his game