England fans should stfu

[Stone_Monkey]

Listening to talksport this morning and most of the callers were moaning about Capello becoming manager because he is Italian. One had the nerve to say he questions Capello's integrity if England were ever drawn against Italy. The majority opinion was that England should have an english manager.

Lets have a look at the candidates. In the top flight there are 8 English managers at Premiership teams. Of these 8 teams only 2 are currently in the top 10. Non are in the top 4. Non have ever won a top domestic trophey (League, FA or Carling). Great pool of candidates so far.

It gets worse. Several people called for Hoddle to take over. Granted he is probably the best English manager the NT has had since Ramsey, but what has he done since '98? The last place he was coaching was the Championship.

Getting sillier are the ones calling for Pearce and Shearer to have a role in the running of things. Firstly, Pearce. Players at City actually got worse under his coaching ability. The likes of Samaras and Corradi came in with decent reputations and suffered. Before anyone mentions the rise of Richards and Johnson, I would prefer to put this down to the work of Jim Cassell and the academy more than anything Pearce did. Secondly, Shearer. Has he even done any coaching? No. Great. Lets appoint someone with **** all experience and less charisma than McClaren.

Fair enough Klinsmann did a quality job with Germany and the Dutch have appointed several inexperienced coaches in the past with favourable outcomes. Have any of them faced the ridiculous expectation that the media places on England? Given that both have arguably more talented players in their ranks, you may be surprised that even Germans do not place the same arrogant and unsubstantiated expectation on their teams as the English do.

I hope Capello does well. I hope he gets England to the World Cup and does the best he can, but I'd love for every single moaning **** who are slating him before he has even been appointed to be named and shamed if he did.

Theres nothing wrong with wanting an Englishman for the job, but you can't expect to be a top team if you're going to demand mediocracy ahead of class.

[libertine]

I stand by the fact that I believe it should be a ruling that the countries manager should be of the right nationality. As I believe that if you have to be of the correct nationality to play, then you should be to coach.

BUT - Seeing as that isnt the ruling, we have no candidates and we have been so bad. Then I dont mind appointing foreign.

My only problem is that he seemingly knows little of the English game, he hasnt worked with many English players and he cant speak the language. They could cause problems.

[Fredo]

France won the world cup with a guy named Aime Jacquet at the helm. Most people didnt know him before the WC and most people around the world still wouldnt know what he looks like now.

It's not all about the manager, its about getting the whole footballing nation in the right direction. As i said somewhere else, Capello is a quick fix that might work but will more than likely fail (no way England will win in 2010) and if the FA does nothing more than appointing Capello, then the situation will be the same in 2years time. The only difference is that you won't be able to blame the coach cos Capello is as good a coach you can get. On the other hand, there is always a corupt referee or diving foreigner to take the blame so maybe there won't be any difference at all after all.

If you get Capello and don't take advantage of him to actually improve English coaches, then you may as well throw that 6.5million down the drain right now.

[Stone_Monkey]

France won the world cup with a guy named Aime Jacquet at the helm. Most people didnt know him before the WC and most people around the world still wouldnt know what he looks like now.

It's not all about the manager, its about getting the whole footballing nation in the right direction. As i said somewhere else, Capello is a quick fix that might work but will more than likely fail (no way England will win in 2010) and if the FA does nothing more than appointing Capello, then the situation will be the same in 2years time. The only difference is that you won't be able to blame the coach cos Capello is as good a coach you can get. On the other hand, there is always a corupt referee or diving foreigner to take the blame so maybe there won't be any difference at all after all.

If you get Capello and don't take advantage of him to actually improve English coaches, then you may as well throw that 6.5million down the drain right now.

The situation with the England team is a long term problem. However, we have to rely on the FA to sort their own **** out because it is with them that the problem lies.

[Omar]

I was going to start a new thread entitled "Deluded?", but I see the following article fits in perfectly with your rant;

BBC:

Ince upset by FA's Capello move

Paul Ince says the likely appointment of Fabio Capello as England manager is a "sad indictment of English football".

MK Dons boss Ince is disappointed the Italian is poised to be confirmed as Steve McClaren's successor.

Gareth Southgate and Steve Coppell are other English managers unhappy that the job has not gone to a compatriot.

"It's a sad indictment on English football that we've got to go to Europe for a manager," Ince told Saturday's Football Focus programme.

"We have got enough managers in England who could do just as good a job."

The former England captain has made a promising start to his managerial career, saving Macclesfield from relegation last season before leading MK Dons to the League Two summit this time round.

Ince, who won 53 caps, has been linked with a number of high-profile posts, including the recent vacancy at Premier League side Derby, but he is not optimistic about the chances of a compatriot managing his country in the near future.

"In English football we say you've got to get your qualifications, you've got to do this, you've got to get that," said Ince.

"But when you build your CV up and they go out and get a foreign manager, sometimes you think, 'what's the point?'"

The 40-year-old added: "In time we're going to get to the stage - whether it's two years, three or four years - that Fabio might go and we've got to have a ready-made replacement for him and it's got to be English."

[Stone_Monkey]

Yeah I read that. A complete knob. He hasn't even managed in the Premiership yet so saying anyone could do the job is complete bollocks. He was also first one to moan about lack of black managers as well?

[Omar]

Yeah I read that. A complete knob. He hasn't even managed in the Premiership yet so saying anyone could do the job is complete bollocks. He was also first one to moan about lack of black managers as well?

Dammit, I forgot to highlight the best part which was;

"We have got enough managers in England who could do just as good a job"

I think your OP proves conclusively otherwise :laugh. But yeah, he is an utter knob, so no surprise.

IIRC he was the one who complained about the lack of black managers, but to be fair, that complaint had more credence than this one ever will. BBC posted a good article on it a while back.

[Gazza]

Pure and simple this was the best possible outcome there could be. The best manager for the job gets the job. Its like a club winning the quadruple they get everything they wanted. How can anybody not be jhappy.

And if England do bad here with a good manager then we have only ourselves to blame

[Foley87]

if we had to go english wed end up with ****e like southgate pearce or hoddle

cappello is the best choice by a country mile

[mart]

Agreed on all that's been said so far. I read a quote this morning (i can't remember which ex player or manager had said it) saying Cappelo should learn from Wenger, now come on that really is a joke Wengers a good enough manager but Cappelo has won far more.

[SMG316]

All the idiots banging on about how the next manager had to be English after Sven......they got what they wanted, and we got knocked out in the qualifiers.

I agree, STFU and be grateful Capello was even prepared to manage the shambles that is our national team.
He urinates on any English manager who even thought about getting the job.

[ruudlover]

Im happy with the appointment personally.

All i want is somebody who can get this team reaching its potential, Capello seems the best candidate for this.

Most of the england players have a foreign manager now anways, so having another 1 won't make a difference

[Stone_Monkey]

All the idiots banging on about how the next manager had to be English after Sven......they got what they wanted, and we got knocked out in the qualifiers.

I agree, STFU and be grateful Capello was even prepared to manage the shambles that is our national team.
He urinates on any English manager who even thought about getting the job.

Exactly, people like Ince saying that "any english manager is just as good" well McClaren was the best Elnglish candidate and the only one to have won any silverwear at all and look at the ******* mess he created!