Steven Gerrard

[libertine]

Ok, I want to hear what people think of his recent performances for England. Paticulary from the people who wanted him to get his chance without Lampard.

As far as I am concerned he has been poor.

Why does Gerrard get a free pass and Lampard gets booed? I really dont understand it.

[Overrated_Fool]

To be honest, Lampard has also looked sloppy in his last few England matches. Tired passes, and giving away possession needlessly.
I think everyone is just bearing with Gerrard despite his below par performances for England, he's a more complete player than Lampard.

And Lampard gets booed, because he's more of a hate-able character, whereas Gerrard is perhaps more respectworthy.

Thats just the way it seems to me anyway.

[debitcard]

To be honest, Lampard has also looked sloppy in his last few England matches. Tired passes, and giving away possession needlessly.
I think everyone is just bearing with Gerrard despite his below par performances for England, he's a more complete player than Lampard.

And Lampard gets booed, because he's more of a hate-able character, whereas Gerrard is perhaps more respectworthy.

Thats just the way it seems to me anyway.


In Lampard's last game for England not only did he have one of the better performances of any in an England shirt, but he also scored our only goal.

The rest of your post is risible. Someone is a more hate-able(sic) person so they deserve to get booed? What sort of ridiculous logic is that?

[leeman]

gerrard has been poor for england for a long time; he was at his best in a balanced midfield with scholes, beckham and whoever used to be on the left. these days we have two central mids and two wingers who cut inside, and a striker (or two) who likes to sit deep. theres simply no room for any attacking midfielder to thirve

[Overrated_Fool]

In Lampard's last game for England not only did he have one of the better performances of any in an England shirt, but he also scored our only goal.

The rest of your post is risible. Someone is a more hate-able(sic) person so they deserve to get booed? What sort of ridiculous logic is that?

I'm not talking about the Germany game, Lampard came on against Estonia if I remember correctly, he also came on yesterday.

And about him being more "hate-able", just go to the other threads and you'll see exactly what I'm trying to say. I never said he deserves to get booed, I was giving my reasons as to why I think he gets booed.

And don't try to act like you don't get what I'm trying to say.

[Gaurav]

he has been pretty poor for liverpool this season as well.

[bambergascoigne]

gerrard has been poor for england for a long time; he was at his best in a balanced midfield with scholes, beckham and whoever used to be on the left. these days we have two central mids and two wingers who cut inside, and a striker (or two) who likes to sit deep. theres simply no room for any attacking midfielder to thirve


agree 100%, see the lamps/gerrard/rooney cant play together thread. If gerrard is the 'complete' footballer, he should play in goal

[libertine]

gerrard has been poor for england for a long time; he was at his best in a balanced midfield with scholes, beckham and whoever used to be on the left. these days we have two central mids and two wingers who cut inside, and a striker (or two) who likes to sit deep. theres simply no room for any attacking midfielder to thirve

I agree with the idea that the space is strangled - Thats why I was for a while an advocate of playing Downing (best available option) as it is at least someone who will stay wide and stretch the play.

Gerrard has been appalling though IMO, poor touch, too many 'hollywood' passes - He seems to give the ball away constantly.

I honestly am starting to think we either need to play 4 - 3 - 3 like Chelsea did a the season before last or we need to stick an actual left winger and a target man out there (best options at the moment, Downing and Ashton).

[TRU GOON]

I think it's because Gerrard is on another level of respect from fans. We see what he does for liverpool and just clutch onto the idea of it happenning at the WC. on the other hand people really hate chelsea....lampard is the chelsea player that always gets a flukey goal or a great goal that ruins your sunday....you will on pompey or bolton for 85 minutes and then a poor chelsea get the win...we don't like lampard and we (some secretly) love gerrard. we see gerrard along with rooney as the chosen ones for glory for the NT.

[intotheforest]

Gerrard had an excuse last month for why he wasn't so great. but this month he doesn't have one. He seems careless in every move, pass etc. he does and I think the last game he played well in was Andorra, and thats nothing to shout about for a player of his ability. He doesn't show the desire IMO he did 18 months or so ago and neither does Lampard.

They are too bothered about how they are perseved at their clubs and who puts their money in the bank. They seem to think they know which side their bread is buttered.

But surely representing your country is a dream for every footballer and money shouldn't come close to it. very player must givew it their all but in Gerrard's case this is far from it.

IMO If Gerrards performances get any worse, I honestly think that the best partnership in the centre would be Beckham and Hargreaves. SWP and J.Cole can run the wings, like they normally do while Hargreaves wins the balls and plays them on for Becks. Beckham can then provide killer balls and plays for the two goalscoring strikers ahead of him, which Gerrard/Lampard should be doing, but for some reason can't. That is a winning combination IMO, plus you have the added benefit of Beckham's free kicks and corners(Something Gerrard hasn't been v.impressive at, in our team of late).

[bambergascoigne]

forget beckham now

[bluemoon32]

forget beckham now

Yep, he's playing Welsh league nowadays..........well, similiar standard anyway

[Fowksee]

Still do better than half that team out there last night. Both wingers were fvckin awful.

[petetheblue]

joe cole has been pretty good for england, and played well against russia considering he seemed to be playing as a left wing back

to be honest, swp isnt good enough for england or chelsea. he lacks quality. poor touch, poor delivery. anything he has to think about..he seems to balls up completely. he's good when head down running though.


ashley young should come into the team maybe, or lennon if he can sort his end product out

[Stone_Monkey]

I think the reputation that Gerrard has is wrongly attributed in terms of his "complete player"

Not sure how he plays for Liverpool, but he is absent in about 90% of the playing time of England games. Barry has been the better CM in every game he has played in, and contributed far more at either end of the pitch.

In no way is this slating Gerrard, but it just goes to show how easily some players get over-rated and live on past performances when it comes to England.

[welshwizard]

LMAO at Bamber saying Gerrard should play in goal as he is the 'complete' player!!!!

[Gazza]

IMO If Gerrards performances get any worse, I honestly think that the best partnership in the centre would be Beckham and Hargreaves. SWP and J.Cole can run the wings, like they normally do while Hargreaves wins the balls and plays them on for Becks. Beckham can then provide killer balls and plays for the two goalscoring strikers ahead of him, which Gerrard/Lampard should be doing, but for some reason can't. That is a winning combination IMO, plus you have the added benefit of Beckham's free kicks and corners(Something Gerrard hasn't been v.impressive at, in our team of late).

I dont think we should bring back Beckham in centre midfield. It would be a bit of a backwards step in terms of progress IMO and he isnt what's needed.

[-Orion-]

I've said it before...he's praised because he doesn't play for Roman's team, for one...and for two, he plays for the golden team of English football...all the media/pundits are ex-players from the Liverpool era and boy does it show... And tho the public love to think they're better than to fall victim to the media, they're not... Oh and thirdly, like Terry, he has the working image about him... Lampard too kinda but not to the same extent, Gerrard gets stuck in whereas Lampard makes it look easy (a la Rio)...yes deflections, no doubt Lampard is lucky...but no one gets lucky 20+ times a season, so the "can't win the lottery without a ticket" analogy does come into play with this guy...he has that innate ability

Gerrard and Lampard are very similar... Gerrard's bad form is usually glossed over because he always comes good with something or other once in a while to make everybody forget about everything else...but he hasn't had that lucky break in the past few weeks so people are even starting to treat him like they do Lampard, when in reality the difference has always been minimal

I think come next international break we need to concentrate on bringing more threat from the wings with pace like Lennon, Young, Agbonlahor, and whatnot rather than relying on one of the golden boy midfielders to be a playmaker (which they're not) or score a long range shot...play to the strengths of our strikers...use the wingers... Joe Cole is not a winger, and though he has in recent times grabbed a couple of assists with his incredibly predictable cut-back crosses, they're far too easy to cut out by anyone with an ounce of skill or sense, especially as he's not that quick...if anything Joe Cole should play as the AM ahead of both Lamps AND Gerrard if neither step their game up... I think Lamps will soon tho