v Leeds build up and match thread

[Roh]

No Manic and it seems noone else has bothered.

Three points are needed so we don't drop further behind early on and to stop the pressure continuing to build.

[Adyduck]

If forest start to play how we know they can then we can beat leeds.

[BKW182]

Yes, definately, and if we do get the 3 points tomorrow, will be a big boost against the 2nd biggest club in the league :P

Hopefully Kris Commons can find good form again, Paul Smith and Sammy Clingan stay on their good form, and lets hope everyone as a team just plays brilliant, hopefully Nathan Tyson could come on for the last 15 minutes and give us a 10 minute hatrick again :D

[Adyduck]

Its time for our so called best players to start showing what they can do.lets start as we mean to go on and give leeds a lesson in football.

[intotheforest]

A win tommorow and we can be v.happy with the reults over the last 2 games. 4 pts of a possible 6 from 2 of the hardest games we'll face this season. No one will ccomplain. 3-1 Forest I think.

[libertine]

Just got back, How didn't we win that game, Seriously......


Much happier after that performance in terms of the coming season but the fact remains, 2 points from 3 games, 2 of them at home.

[michael123]

how the **** did we just lose that? leeds looked ****e to me, two shots two goals, clinical, but they surely cant keep that up. commons and perch guilty of missing great chances and bastians, wtf!! how did he put it wide? i still dont know why hes at the club, looks crap every time he plays. dont know what lennon does either, yes hes ok, but seriously, champions league? your having a laugh! the miss from bastians meant from taking all 3 poinmts we dropped our heads and went away with 0. i know i cant blame him on our loss, but im still getting to grips with that woefull miss. leeds look crap anyway so that was one positive, but 2 points from 3 games, relegation form.

[libertine]

how the **** did we just lose that? leeds looked ****e to me, two shots two goals, clinical, but they surely cant keep that up. commons and perch guilty of missing great chances and bastians, wtf!! how did he put it wide? i still dont know why hes at the club, looks crap every time he plays. dont know what lennon does either, yes hes ok, but seriously, champions league? your having a laugh! the miss from bastians meant from taking all 3 poinmts we dropped our heads and went away with 0. i know i cant blame him on our loss, but im still getting to grips with that woefull miss. leeds look crap anyway so that was one positive, but 2 points from 3 games, relegation form.

On the plus side we played VERY well.

Bit harsh on Bastians and Lennon. I think Lennon is doing very well. Its hard to look THAT special playing a holding role. He is doing his job very well indeed.

If we have a fully fit strike force, we score 3 or 4 today IMO.

[forestforever32]

im not worried at all , i know i wasnt actually there but from what i heard we played very well in the second half and battered leeds for long periods , i seriously think we will come on very strong from now on and start scoring plus when we get injured players back we will be a force ......one player i will say ive been impressed with so far this season is clingan.......great stuff

[king billy]

Thought the ref today was sh!te to be honest..

[Roh]

Trying to figure out how we lost that game. Leeds were nothing, first half was pretty even, we dominated first 10 minutes, than the game settled down and we cancelled each otehr out.

Second half we dominated, 45 minutes of domination, Leeds hardly got forward at all. I was impressed with the overlapping full backs - and we finally have width and we dominate a game.... COINCIDENCE :rolleyes: We've been crying out for width for ages and finally it was provided for 45 minutes, though by fullbacks. Commons seemed to be in his free role again, which basically seems to be avoid running into dangerous areas and stay as far away from the ball as posisble - Perch seemed to have the impossible task of being centre mid and left mid again, but actually did well, gave them no time and looked ok in fact Clingan seemed to have the same job, but on the right side as it was a 4-3-commons-2 formation.

Tysons movement was good, Agogo actually felt like turning up today and caused them problems at times, Holt caused a few problems too - we just can't put the ball in the net. How Commons and Bastians missed their chances I'll never know.

Referee was poor.


As for Leeds fans, thought they were very vocal, best support we'll see this season for sure - shame about the scum with the anti-Clough song.

[king billy]

Just heard that a few Forest chavs were spitting at a 16 year old lass who had a Leeds top on, happened on the way back into town :nono

[michael123]

Just heard that a few Forest chavs were spitting at a 16 year old lass who had a Leeds top on, happened on the way back into town :nono
and you stabbed three tranmere fans? which is worse... leeds are scum...

not you of course but in general :P

you were so so fortunate today, i really cant see you guys keeping up this good form you looked awfull and yes the ref was ****e.

[intotheforest]

Well I am in total shock how we lost that. Leeds deserved to be winning in the first half, as Forest could string no more than 2/3 passes together. Second half we cann feel hard done by,. We had most of the possesion and how Perch, Commons and Bastians missed I don't know.

All three goals scored were fairly scrapy/ appauling for any team to concede. Kandol trickling through our backline to place it in the corner of the post, was blatent poor defending from Moirgan in particular. Nice celebration BTW. Commons goal, a typical one that occurs often, in which many say is something to do with the flight of todays footballs. I thought Holt had a touch on it, but it seemed to bypass everyone. And the defining moment, cross from the right, defenders missed it leaving space for Beckford to tap home.

The second half performance was v.encouraging though, and with Cohen and Davies fit, we'll be a top team. We attacked more, and it seemed the Forest football we have all been brought up on was getting through to the others. No sign of 'negative' tactics in the second half. Just free flowing football. When tried in the first half it was atrocious. The players were passing the wrong way and creating big dangers for an already shakey defence. But in the second half no one could complain with how CC played. Had Agogo, Holt and Tyson been fully fit we would have scored most of them chances that we had throughout.

Some of you will strongly disagree with what I will say next, but it is clear Breckin's influence and defensive ability is being missed immensly. Forest's defence looked shakey at times and looked vastly out of position. No influence, far to casual and careless. Morgan was unimpressive, as was Bennett. The defence is at huge fault for both goals. Had Breckin's presense been there, maybe just maybe, the goals may not have been.
Another thing which will anger some more of you, but you'll have to see my view on it. This is what is Neil Lennon bringing to this club? OK he is a DM and I am not expecting 20+ goals from him, but IMO he is just an even slower version of Gary Holt. Yes Lennon is 2 years older but at times I think Holt is better than Lennon. All Lennon does is shout. Now I am not complaining about that as it shows his leadership and awareness. But other than that he is like our defence; sloppy and careless. He loses the ball, so what does Lennon do? Run after it to get it back? Does he feck. He walks after it expecting Clingan to run for him. Lennon you are a DM it is your job to try and retain that ball. TBH I know some will disagree with what I have said about Lennon, but I believe some of you(don't want to mention usernames) are highly strung on him being a big name and overlook the bad things he does in a game. Lennon is no better than Gary Holt and I am afraid you'll have to face it, even if you think I am a cvnt for suggesting such a thing.

Overall, with the minus points aside, we looked very promising attacking wise was unfortunate to lose. But, thats probably how most teams felt last year when we were played outplayed the opposition and grabbed a goal towards the end.
When Cohen, Breckin, and Davies are back and the three strikers are fully fit. We look incredibly promising and promotion still looks achieveable. No one should feel downed by this result because, as I said to libertine in another thread, if we lose(which we did) there are still 43 games left and a maximum of 129 pts up for grabs. We will be up near the top come May, trust me.

BTW the atmosphere was amazing from the Leeds end as it was from the Forest end :clap Was a great place to be today. Funny when Bennet shoved Wise. Take that you w@nker :laugh.

[king billy]

and you stabbed three tranmere fans? which is worse... leeds are scum...

not you of course but in general :P

you were so so fortunate today, i really cant see you guys keeping up this good form you looked awfull and yes the ref was ****e.

When was this then I've heard nought about this...

[Adyduck]

MUGGED!!! thats what we got today.Missed chances cost us again & ffs get commons off free kicks cos he's gone from bad to diabolical.Forest have got to be more creative with free kicks like on the 3rd or 4th free kick we got chambers pulled wide in the penalty area and the ball should of gone wide for him to play a ball either low or high back into the area creating something which would be more likely to get us a goal,rather than commons fail to get it 3 feet off the floor and hit it straight into the players legs.Id like to see lennon standing over the ball cos he is 2 steps ahead of anyone on the pitch & a quick ball from him would leave defences standing cold wondering what was happening.Leeds have to feel very fortunate they got a late winner BUT HELLO CALDERWOOD leeds last 2 games they have grabbed late goals.Do ya fookin homework geeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz.Once forest got attacking leeds couldnt cope with us and once those missing players return from injury forest will start to see a big difference.I thought we had rob styles as the ref today :ninja Fookin useless cvnt he was & some decision were very bad.I also cant believe that todays game wasnt a sell out,if u cant get up for a forest leeds game then u wont get up for anything.A great atmosphere and billy i only saw one white flag with a red cross on it just behind the bridgford goal but i couldnt see any writing on it? so was that u?

[king billy]

Some quotes from one of your websites...


'Walking slowly down the concrete steps in full view of 3,500 exalting Yorkshiremen seemed to take longer than the match in its entirety.'

'I think the bloke in the trent got pushed in by a couple of Leeds fan. That's what I heard anyway. COuld be bollocks.'



Leeds deserved their win. Whilst we squandered opportunities at one end, they put on an excellent display of finishing at the other end. They played the perfect away game, beating a side who were constantly attacking at times by slowing the game down, time-wasting, and being thoroughly professional in all. That is how you win in the lower leagues - not by playing silky football, but by winning the battle of the minds before winning the battle on the football pitch, by hook or by crook. They were poorer than Bournemouth a fortnight ago, but they are three points richer for it - I wish we were so effective.

And there's the crux of the matter: effectiveness. We're not a bad team by any stretch of the imagination, though we are a centre-half and two strikers short of being a very good one. But the effort levels from certain individuals belie their abilities, as they switch from wastrels to good players at the flick of a switch, sadly in rare spurts that are otherwise phantasm. What's clear is that we have weaknesses all over the pitch, but so too did Leeds, with a poor midfield, shaky goalkeeper and a "slice n dice" defence that parted as if our players were Moses at regular intervals during the second half.

The difference was blood and thunder. If Leeds made a mistake, someone else made up for it. Fortune favoured them too, but our finishing was so pathetic it didn't really matter. Missing one open goal is not forgivable, so what to make of missing two I do not know. The match was pretty poor as a whole, but Leeds' goals were masterpieces of finishing - the duck and weave before the flash into the far corner, and the fox in the box finish at the far post, both after predictable Wes Morgan errors. The first half was virtually non-existent, in a dour game of lump-ball cat and mouse during which Leeds assumed the lead.

Fortunately, we managed a lucky equaliser at the beginning of the second half. A Kris Commons free-kick from the right bounced through towards the keeper, and from my vantage point I saw little in the way to stop their keeper from saving it, but the faux pas from Grant Holt seemed to work the magic, and the aforementioned free-kick squirmed through for the equaliser. For the next twenty minutes or so, their penalty area was akin to the alamo, as we tried without success to force a second goal and take the lead. Like I've said already, the finishing in this period was dreadful.

When it seemed that the match was over, meandering towards another draw, one team believed they could win the football match. One team had the determination and dynamism to win the football match. It goes without saying that it was not Colin Calderwood's Nottingham Forest who had the adventure with which to do so, but Leeds United and Dennis Wise. It would be best to describe Wise as an interesting character, a man who played above his level in his time and is now instilling the right mentality into his team, if not necessarily making many friends along the way, nor doing it beautifully.

The second goal was appreciable because it's the sort of goal we never score. It came from a hopeful saunter forward down the right, an average and timid looking cross which eluded Morgan at the far post, but didn't quite elude the ruthless Jermain Beckford. None of our strikers are intelligent enough or good enough to score that sort of goal. Whereas Agogo is lazy, lacking a good first touch, Tyson is a headless chicken, and Grant Holt is really rather ****. It says a lot for Holt that James Perch was attacking long balls in the first half. And Perch was our second worst player today (guess who was first).

Overall, we were better without being good enough. A ruthless side would have won comfortably with our share of the game and our chances. But we are not ruthless, Leeds perhaps are. Their performance was reminiscent of some of our away efforts at the beginning of last year, where they clung on to a lead, or else snatched a barely deserved one to secure three points. I'd say they're far from the cream of the crop, but they're much better than we are. We perhaps are somewhere near the bottom, because of ineptitude, laziness, and sheer inability to sustain a consistent performance.

Talent-wise, we're much better than that. I'm afraid to say Calderwood will have lost my faith completely if we do not sign a striker, and a replacement for Davies for the short-term. We might get away with a creaky defence whilst we have to tolerate Wes Morgan, but no team ever gets away without a constant goal-scoring threat. Needless to say that I do not think one exists currently within this squad of players. What worries me also is how certain players meander along at the same level of performance - Smith, Commons, Perch, etc. Shouldn't the coach be improving them?

Blimey lads, was I at a different game?? "Robbed", you cry?!?! Pull the other one!


Bar a ten minute spell we were **** first half, true, we for a 20 minute odd spell in the second half we played the kind of football we've been missing at the City Ground, but we just weren't consistent enough and paid the price at the end.


Leeds were more than good enough for a draw, the win may have flattered them slightly but to say we were "robbed" is delusional.


All credit to the Leeds fans, who gave us a lesson in how a team should be supported, the gorrilla who for some unexplained reason asked me out against him and his three friends while I was in the middle of traffic being the obvious exception - as if I was going to leave the car in the middle of traffic and go at it there and then!

[BKW182]

Leeds did not deserve the win at all. Nice hand ball to control the ball for the first goal, luck does not descrive your victory, was just pure spawny!

Clingan impressed me today, Wilson was well in there as well. Perched seemed good enough for me. Agogo wasnt bad either, grant holt seemed a bit lazy in the first half but musta had a half time bollacking from CC.
Paul Smith didnt have luck on his side today. Luke Chambers wasnt bad either. Commons i dunno whats happened to him, the one year deal paid off with a Spawny goal lol!

[king billy]

There were 2 clear penalty decisions went against us today so all in all it was a fair result in the end...

[cas white]

It sounded like a game of 2 halves to be honest you were poor in the first half we were poor in 2nd . As the home side im sure you were always going to put heavy pressure on leeds thats what home teams are meant to do .

Chances are we could have absolutely slaughtered you on the field and still lost the game . It just sounded a typical away performance to me

[cas white]

Double post

[Forest7]

Smith 6 - Had little to do apart from one save from a corner. Should have come out and punched it though. No chance with goals

Chambers 7 - Is doing a really decent job at full back, got forward and delivery was better than v Bournemouth

Bennett 6 - Played with his usual spirit but could have been sent off as usual.

Wilson 7 - Looks a calm player at the back, and decent in the air.

Morgan 6 - Had his hands full with Leeds' quality strikers, didn't get tight enough at times

Lennon 6 - Again seemed to fade out the game and may have been partly at fault for the wiiner

Clingan 6 - A lot of effort, but he's a nearly man. Can't score or make goals

Perch 5 - A bad day again for Perch, gave possession away too cheaply and missed a great chance

Commons 7 - Looked the main threat until bizarrely subbed off. Missed a great chance for 2-1

Holt 6 - Won some headers but isn't the player he was a year ago, has lost his goal threat

Agogo 6 - Disappointing, never looked like scoring and didn't get into dangerous areas

Subs - Tyson 7 Bastiens 6

[libertine]

Bennett 6 - Played with his usual spirit but could have been sent off as usual.


Change that to SHOULD have got sent off.

As usual though the same section of the fans will say he had a 'brilliant' game because he threw himself around with reckless abandon and 'started on' Wise.

What people fail to realise is that a lot of the time his 'crunching tackles' are actually a result of his original bad starting position. When other full backs would have been in the right place to just sheppard a player to safety or nick a ball away and play a neat 5 yard pass. Bennett goes flying in like a bull in a china shop and then pulls one of his 'menacing' faces (which just make him look like an absoloute tit) and the same section of the fanbase go wild.

Poor footballer, poor decision maker and con's some of the fans by being committed. I could go round the Central Midlands league of a weekend and pick out 10 players that if you paid them the same amount of money could do a comparable job to Julian Bennett.

[libertine]

Also just a point on Junior Agogo (as it's not worth starting a thread on him).

I don't get why everyone seems to love him so much. Yes he is a neat little footballer who does a bit of everything. But there isn't any end product from him. He never really looks like scoring a goal or setting anything up.

I dont honestly think he is really good enough to be at this club. Yes Holt isnt showing much now but I think thats more down to him being jaded and carrying the injury. Show a bit of faith in him once Tyson is fit enough to start and stick Holt and Tyson upfront.

[king billy]

Yesterdays highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xatOj-p_QTU)

[Adyduck]

We had the biggest crowd outside the premiership yesterday :clap how it wasnt a sell out of 28,000+ is beyond me :ninja

[michael123]

There were 2 clear penalty decisions went against us today so all in all it was a fair result in the end...

erm when were they? the hanball that wasnt? and when else? maybe the dive where commons clear won the ball in front of you lot? neither were penaltys and you were ****. at least when we are outplayed we admit it, we admit we got scabby against swansea, but you think you deserved the points? you have 3 efforts on goal, scoring 2. you were under pressure which your defence repeatedly crumbled under and left us with 3 6 yard tap ins which we somehow managed to miss. it wasnt a fair result on the balance of play at all. granted you did a smash and grab job, but dont try and make out it was a fair result, because it wasnt, not in the slightest. we were **** in the first hal;f but still had the lionshare of possession and chances, and in the second half we absolutley battered you and on another day, with a little mnore clinical finishing would have ran out 4 or 5-2 winners.

[michael123]

We had the biggest crowd outside the premiership yesterday :clap how it wasnt a sell out of 28,000+ is beyond me :ninja
where you can fit another 5000 in the stadium is what puzzled me... it was rammed yet on 25000?

[Adyduck]

There was the bottom corner of BC empty(2 sections) and plenty of places high in the BC stand.The bottom corner of the bridgford stand closest to the main stand also had seats empty.I think they went a bit mad on leaving empty seats between supporters.There were also empty seats scattered around in the main stand.

[michael123]

There was the bottom corner of BC empty(2 sections) and plenty of places high in the BC stand.The bottom corner of the bridgford stand closest to the main stand also had seats empty.I think they went a bit mad on leaving empty seats between supporters.There were also empty seats scattered around in the main stand.
i sit upper clough so i couldnt really see, it looked full around me but its hard to tell when your sat in that stand. main stand, bridgeford and trent end were all rammed.

[Adyduck]

Im main stand so im looking directly across at it.Ur view is obscured looking down so u wouldnt of seen the empty seats.U will notice the difference in the crowd against leicester as there will be more than at the leeds game.

25/08/2007 - Late goal gives Leeds a victory

Nottm Forest 1 v 2 Leeds

A late winner by Jermaine Beckford wiped another three points off Leeds United's deficit at The City Ground as it clinched a 2-1 success.

It is now three League One wins out of three for Dennis Wise's side as they continue to answer their 15-point Football League punishment in style.

They were made to battle through a difficult second half as Forest, second best for much of the opening half, made a spirited comeback, but Beckford's winner came too late to give the home side any chance of a second response.

Leeds had taken a 17th-minute lead when Tresor Kandol turned past Wes Morgan to fire a right-foot shot across Forest keeper Paul Smith and into the far corner of the net.

They could have added to their advantage, with Smith having to make an instinctive save to keep out a close-range effort from former Forest midfielder David Prutton.

But Forest were back in the game five minutes after half-time when Kris Commons' free-kick from the touchline was allowed to sneak in at the far post.

However, they were stunned in the last minute when substitute Jonathan Howson slid a ball towards the far post, where Beckford fired into the roof of the net.


25/08/2007 - Reds score, but Leeds grab win

Leeds United staged a smash-and-grab raid to claim three points here this afternoon in a match in which Forest themselves could have snatched a deserved victory.

Jermaine Beckford struck in the 89th minute to earn Dennis Wise's men a 2-1 victory.

But the decisive goal came only a matter of seconds after substitute Felix Bastians had come agonisingly close to snatching a winner for the home side.

Leeds had snatched a first half lead in the 17th minute through Tresor Kandol before Kris Commons had levelled direct from a free-kick when Leeds failed to clear his cross.

And following long spells of pressure in the second period, it was Forest who looked likely to snatch victory until Leeds pounced with that late, late strike.

Prior to kick-off the Forest players made a point of going over towards the support in the A Block of the Main Stand to give their fans a round of applause.

If the intention was to try and rouse some additional backing it certainly worked as the match began with a ferocious atmosphere.

The Leeds fans were certainly in good voice although in the early stages it was those in red who had more to cheer about as Forest made a bright start to the match that saw their visitors pinned on the back foot for the opening 15 minutes.

But while Calderwood will have been enthused by his side's lively 15 minutes of domination, he will have been questioning his luck again as he saw Leeds take the lead with their first attack of the match with 17 minutes gone.

The goal when it came was certainly well crafted as Beckford fed a clever ball into the box for his strike partner KANDOL who took the ball down well on his chest before rifling home -an accurate right-foot finish off the inside of the post.

Prior to that it had been largely Forest in the ascendancy, with Calderwood's men even managing to muster the air of menace that had been absent at Swansea last weekend.

In the first minute, Agogo looked to have half a chance of breaking clear as he chased a high ball into the box, but defender Marques showed great composure to head the ball back over the advancing striker before clearing the danger.

Forest's first real chance came as Bennett pushed forward down the left and picked out Holt on the six-yard box.

The striker fed the ball to the edge of the box where Perch struck a low shot that deflected around the area like a pinball before being cleared.

Forest pushed again however, this time as a Commons ball down the left hand channel picked out Agogo.

The striker showed an impressive first touch before firing a teasing ball across the face of goal. Clingan was at full stretch but could not muster a shooting chance, although the midfielder was able to cut the ball back for the second time where it again flew dangerously across the face of the goal without being converted.

Leeds seemed content to allow Chambers plenty of room to push forward from right-back and he took full advantage by providing some deep balls into the box.

One such cross could have led to an opening goal for Forest, with Perch agonisingly close to a header.

The match had taken on the air of a local derby but the Forest defence was exposed as Leeds pushed forward for the first time to take that 17th minute lead through Kandol.

And while it had been Leeds first genuine attack, they could have had a second within a minute as Kandol lashed a half chance wide.

Forest began to turn up the pressure again, although they somehow failed to muster quite the same level of threat that they had in the opening exchanges.

Leeds could have had a second as, following a flurry of corners, the Yorkshire side engineered an opening as Prutton connected with a firm downward header which forced a fine reaction save from former team-mate Smith who did well to palm the ball over his bar.

Forest almost hit back with a set-piece as Clingan regained his feet after being fouled on the edge of the box to fire in a free-kick that was deflected for a corner.

Leeds could not quite clear the danger and when Heath felled Perch in a similar position on the edge of the 18 yard box, Forest had another chance to try their luck from a free-kick.

This time it was Commons who placed the ball, and although his shot was deflected off the wall, the ball fell nicely to Clingan who sent a rising shot over the bar.

Leeds had found their own confidence going forward and were guilty of missing another chance to increase their advantage when Beckford scuffed badly wide.

Forest's frustration was growing and Bennett became the first player to be booked following a rugged challenge.

Then a promising Forest attack was brought to a halt when referee Hill decided to halt play to allow Carole to receive treatment for an innocuous looking injury.

Forest were perhaps a little unfortunate to go in trailing at the break, although the Reds fans made their feelings clear when they greeted the half-time whistle with a chorus of boos.

The second half was a different story as Forest began with fresh determination.

Within the first few minutes they carved out two decent opportunities before finally getting themselves level.

The pressure began from the 46th minute when a Bennett long throw into the box was cleared back to the full-back who this time delivered an accurate ball to the far post for Holt to head dangerously into the six-yard box where, fortunately for Leeds, keeper Ankergren was quickest to react to pounce on the loose ball.

Holt then did well to fire in a dangerous cross all the way through the far side where Clingan lofted a clever pass into the middle for Commons who just failed to connect with a close range header.

There was a decisive moment shortly after as Leeds skipper Thompson brought down Clingan on the far side.

It was enough to earn the midfielder a booking, but more significantly it earned Forest a free-kick on the right flank.

COMMONS stepped up to take it and in typical style he delivered a menacing ball into the box which amid a melee of players was deflected into the back of the net.

As had been the case in the first half with Leeds, once Forest had scored their confidence soared. They could and should have gone ahead following some good work from Chambers as he fed a teasing ball into the box which Perch side-footed wide of the target from close range.

Another chance saw Clingan send in a ball from the right which Holt dummied to allow Agogo a shot from close range.

The striker's shot was charged down, but the defelection fell kindly for Holt who in turn fired into the side netting.

Commons was a growing influence for the home side and he came agonisingly close with an individual effort that saw him carry the ball across the face of the box before shooting narrowly wide.

Undeterred he came close again, this time after a clever header down from Holt saw Commons strike a 20-yard volley that was blocked by Richardson.

Leeds made the first change of the match and it was an attacking one as Flo replaced Prutton, who was booed as he left the pitch by the Forest fans.

Still Forest pressured with another clever pass from Clingan picking out Commons who had the goal at his mercy but saw a low side footed effort blocked by Marques only a few yards from goal.

Wise unsurprisingly was at the centre of a heated moment.

Bennett tried to claim the ball for a throw in in the Leeds technical area only for the Leeds manager to toss it away from the Forest man. Bennett appeared to angrily push Wise who immediately pleaded his innocence. Referee Hill dealt with the incident sensibly by taking no action against either man.

Forest made two late changes as they continued their search for a winning goal.

Tyson received a predictably warm welcome from the Forest fans when he replaced Agogo, and Bastians later coming on for Commons.

Beckford was booked for a late challenge on Smith and at the other end Forest did come tantalisingly close to a winner.

Tyson's pace took him clear wide on the right before he crossed to pick out fellow substitute Bastians who, in a single movement, controlled the ball before turning to fire a vicious shot that flashed just wide.

But just when it seemed Forest may snatch three points, it was Leeds who struck for a second time against the run of play as BECKFORD fired a last minute winner, converting a Carole cross.

25/08/2007 - Calderwood - There are positives we can take from the game

Nottm Forest 1 v 2 Leeds

Leeds United boss Dennis Wise hailed the commitment of his players after their last-gasp win over Nottingham Forest.

An 89th-minute Jermaine Beckford goal at The City Ground kept alive Leeds' 100 per cent start to the campaign.

Wise insisted: "These players have stuck together through a lot of things. They work hard together and are getting their rewards.

"I've got a good group of players. I didn't like the group I had last year - they weren't very nice.

"There were a few players in there who weren't batting for the club and there were a few who weren't even average Championship players if I'm being totally honest."

Beckford's goal earned Leeds' third successive League One victory and took another significant chunk out of the 15-point deficit imposed by the Football League during the summer.

Wise added: "What the Football League did to us was laughable - it was unfair. It has punished the fans, it has punished the players and the management staff.

"They should probably have hit the club financially, although I know `Batesy' (Chairman Ken Bates) wouldn't like me saying that."

Forest boss Colin Calderwood refused to be too critical of his side, who are still looking for their first win of the campaign.

"There are positives we can take from the game and console ourselves with, but that doesn't hide the fact that we've taken nothing from it in terms of points," he said.

"We don't have to hang our heads in shame about the way we played today. I'm happy with the performance but not the result.

"We competed well in the first half with limited opportunities, but the second was certainly the best we've played this season.

"I think we've shown the fans that there is something to be encouraged about more than our points total would suggest.

"We were very aware of the need to get our first win of the season and it looked as though it might come today.

"We've got to go and reproduce that level of intensity and stay together - although I don't have any worries on that front."

[West Brom Red]

Tale of 2 halves i'm afraid. First half i thought we were shocking, we created nothing at all and looked terrible. Second half it was like a totally different team. We SHOULD have won but if we don't take our chances then we all can see what happens. If we continue to play like the second half we'll do fine this season but we must start taking our chances. Just a point of note i thought agogo looked so disinterested it was untrue. I know he's just coming back from injury but the effort wasn't there from him and not for the first time!!!!

[michael123]

Tale of 2 halves i'm afraid. First half i thought we were shocking, we created nothing at all and looked terrible. Second half it was like a totally different team. We SHOULD have won but if we don't take our chances then we all can see what happens. If we continue to play like the second half we'll do fine this season but we must start taking our chances. Just a point of note i thought agogo looked so disinterested it was untrue. I know he's just coming back from injury but the effort wasn't there from him and not for the first time!!!!
second half he looked one of our most lively players and worked hard. he looked sharp and like he could score.

[Abraham]

No doubt Forest had the much better chances,really we should have wrapped the game up in the 2nd half. Leeds battled ok but I thought they were quite average.
Now we've just got to go on a run of 10/20 games unbeaten,champions need long unbeaten runs and NOW is the time to deliver.
No more excuses CC or the players,Go and do what you're expected and paid to do !
One moment really saddened me when the Leeds fans abused the greatest boss ever,they shouldn't have chanted those things against Cloughie

[king billy]

One moment really saddened me when the Leeds fans abused the greatest boss ever,they shouldn't have chanted those things against Cloughie

I do not condone the chants against Clough but the Forest fans started with anti Wise chants and finished with Turkish chants not exactly a friendly gesture was it ? Also groups of chavs after the match picking on indivual Leeds fans has not gone down well.

The Clough era at Leeds was not a good time in our history and you can not fault his success at Forest but his time at Leeds was nought short of a huge ego trip.

[Mr T]

second half he looked one of our most lively players and worked hard. he looked sharp and like he could score.
Agreed. Looked far more likely to score than Holty so was a bit surprised to see him subbed.:drinkbeer

[michael123]

Agreed. Looked far more likely to score than Holty so was a bit surprised to see him subbed.:drinkbeer
i also thought holt battled hard and is still to shake off this injury roblem, he would have been on the score sheet had bastians not ****ed it up for him.

[libertine]

i also thought holt battled hard and is still to shake off this injury roblem, he would have been on the score sheet had bastians not ****ed it up for him.

Holt is a more 'potent' player than Agogo. dont get why people rave over Junior.

As for Bastions, Much like Bopp - Give him a consistant chance with a consistant role or let him go. Gotta make choice, I think he's good enough but gotta let him prove that or let him go elsewhere. Especially with Commons giving his 'not that ****ed' routine. Seriously commons can **** off

[Roh]

I do not condone the chants against Clough but the Forest fans started with anti Wise chants and finished with Turkish chants not exactly a friendly gesture was it ? Also groups of chavs after the match picking on indivual Leeds fans has not gone down well.

The Clough era at Leeds was not a good time in our history and you can not fault his success at Forest but his time at Leeds was nought short of a huge ego trip.
You can't compare calling a football and Forest legend like Clough, to a manager who wasn't particularly well liked untill recently thats only 'achievement' was relegation.

I personally didn't hear the Turkish chants, but I'll take your word and say that's equally sickening.

A lot of people have come into your club and done much worse things than Clough ever could have in his 42 (?) days there though. It was far from successful, but I'm sure you'd admit its hardly enough to justify calling him a wänker, especially considering where you were playing.

As it was very clear for us to hear in top tier of Trent End to hear, I'm sure it was more than just a couple chanting as well.

[Adyduck]

It was 44 days in charge,but who cares.leeds loss was our gain and look where brian clough took us :clap

[michael123]

Holt is a more 'potent' player than Agogo. dont get why people rave over Junior.

As for Bastions, Much like Bopp - Give him a consistant chance with a consistant role or let him go. Gotta make choice, I think he's good enough but gotta let him prove that or let him go elsewhere. Especially with Commons giving his 'not that ****ed' routine. Seriously commons can **** off
commons created alot and looked decent, he should never have been subbed. had a good performance in my opinion. bastians however came on and looked ****e. and walking down after the game i heard a lot of people asking the same question, why take commons off when he was being the playmaker in our most dominant spell and bring on bastians who hasnt performed well for 2 seasons. i also dont see what was wrong with agogos performance? he played well, his runs were a hell of alot better timed then dobies, he ran accross the line well and caused their defenders problems.

as for the anti clough songs, what can you expect from scum like leeds fans? if we replied with turkish chants then its their own fault and sod um. but i only heard denise wise what a ****er, and to say leeds were also singing that last season shows that it cant have aggrevated them. besides, yes clough was a ****er, a ****er that won two european cups and the league title whilst leeds sat on their arses and watched... who got the short straw there?

[Abraham]

I don't see the need to abuse any person personally and I find it saddening and quite childish.
A bit of banter is ok and a bit of humour is ok but to personally abuse is not on.
How could anyone make such abusive remarks against a dead man?
Yes Forest fans were in the wrong but some Leeds fans went to the lowest of the lows.

[king billy]

as for the anti clough songs, what can you expect from scum like leeds fans? if we replied with turkish chants then its their own fault and sod um. but i only heard denise wise what a ****er, and to say leeds were also singing that last season shows that it cant have aggrevated them. besides, yes clough was a ****er, a ****er that won two european cups and the league title whilst leeds sat on their arses and watched... who got the short straw there?

As I have said before the Leeds fans chanted Dennis Wise's name, Forest fans decided to tell us that Wise is a w@nker,the response from the Leeds fans, one I don't condone, was to hit Forest fans back as hard as they could hence using Clough in their song. The Turkish chants imho are bang out of order and believe me innocent Forest fans will get the backlash of that at Elland Road as Leicester and Millwall fans have had in the past.

Brian Clough is a Legend here in Nottinham he is not in Leeds his 44 days in charge were a shambles and you really need to read the Damned United to see how it was his ego that took the Leeds job and he showed nothing but contempt for LUFC, never once failing to try and kick our own Legend Don Revie.

There is a lot of 6 and half a dozen of the other in this debate.

[king billy]

as for the anti clough songs, what can you expect from scum like leeds fans?

As I have argued with manchester united fans, if you really hate a team that much why come on a mixed forum ? Personally I find you post offensive you think I am Scum ? because that is what you are labelling me. Accept it we came to trhe CG on Saturday and mugged you get over it don't blame us for your poor start to the season.

Readers of this particular forum of 24/7 will remember that I have always wished you well but continue to call me and my fellow fans Scum and well maybe I might change my mind ;)

[Abraham]

This kind of thing is schoolboy stuff,so childish.
I look forward to the Leeds-Forest game but only for the football side of it-three points for the Reds and consolidate our place at the top of the league I hope

[king billy]

This kind of thing is schoolboy stuff,so childish.
I look forward to the Leeds-Forest game but only for the football side of it-three points for the Reds and consolidate our place at the top of the league I hope

The voice of reason ;)


Well the 1st bit :laugh

[Abraham]

I understand why Leeds fans reacted now.
As I said on the Leeds forum I am ashamed of those who chanted such things,they are not real Forest fans and we don't want them in our ground.
Apologies to the Leeds fans for those disgraceful chants,
nobody should resort to chants of that nature

[king billy]

and as I have said earlier innocent Forest fans will get the backlash at ER in the return fixture. The death of these 2 Leeds fans really hurt every Leeds fan and this sick minority that chant these Turkish chants really don't understand that Leeds fans will not forgive and will want revenge. Again I reiterate not my opinion but that of many...

[Abraham]

Its a shame because most of our fans are genuinely well behaved,
lets not forget (us adults) that this is a family game and by behaving in such an immoral way we endanger the safety of young innocent kids out there.
I would like to go to ER and take my children for the return game but I can't now due to the actions of those who call themselves Forest fans.
They have ruined it for genuine fans !

[king billy]

Its a shame because most of our fans are genuinely well behaved,
lets not forget (us adults) that this is a family game and by behaving in such an immoral way we endanger the safety of young innocent kids out there.
I would like to go to ER and take my children for the return game but I can't now due to the actions of those who call themselves Forest fans.
They have ruined it for genuine fans !

and thats the sad fact of it all Mate, as I have stated on another thread we have more than our fair share of idiots and they'll be waiting to extact "their vengance" on any Forest fans that night.

[michael123]

As I have argued with manchester united fans, if you really hate a team that much why come on a mixed forum ? Personally I find you post offensive you think I am Scum ? because that is what you are labelling me. Accept it we came to trhe CG on Saturday and mugged you get over it don't blame us for your poor start to the season.

Readers of this particular forum of 24/7 will remember that I have always wished you well but continue to call me and my fellow fans Scum and well maybe I might change my mind ;)
for a start, i said in an earlier post that i did not mean you or anyone on here when i said in general leeds fans are scum, because you are... you cause trouble everywhere you go, your hypocritical when yuo say that the death of 2 fans hurt you yet you go around stabbing others and continuing with your typical hooliganistic behavious, im very sorry about those fans, and the turkish chants arnt on, but really what did you expect after chanting the clough is a ****er song? if you continue to defend these people then you are almost as bad as them? there is no place for hooligans in todays game...

also i know you have always wished us well, just as you should know i have always tried to make a positive input on the leeds forum, but face facts, you have a very bad history of holliganism and it is going to hang over leeds united for a long time, only good behaviour will relinquish it, and from saturday it doesnt look like much has changed, except the level of policing.

[Abraham]

and thats the sad fact of it all Mate, as I have stated on another thread we have more than our fair share of idiots and they'll be waiting to extact "their vengance" on any Forest fans that night.

Yes its all very sad !
We need to get these so called fans out of the game,
They could be responsible for some serious injuries in february to genuine
fans of our club.
We don't want these low lifes at our club

[king billy]

Here are some quotes from a Leeds forum..

Thought it was a bit intimidating going back to the train station after the game. All the local chavs hanging about giving it Yorkshire Scum, Istanbul etc... As soon as we set foot outside the ground a Forest fan aged around 30ish had a go at an old Leeds fan (around 60ish) and told him to take his Leeds shirt off and tried pulling it off. My mate had a word with him and told him to say something to him but the Forest fan didn't.

Also walking back to the station a Forest lad threatened us with what looked like a knife. He then started walking right behind me but then crossed the road next to the policeman and told them about it. The Forest fan then went down by the river!

My old man was ahead of us with a couple of other lads from our branch and they said a Leeds fan got a bit of a hiding they went over and helped the poor bloke up apparently there were around ten forest lads putting the boot in, It happened round the corner as you come out of the away car park. Hope he was ok, not sure if anyone else knows more?

One of our 16 year old members who had a Leeds top on got spat at by several Forest chavs

There were loads of Forest chavs that were just there for the Leeds factor and wanted to kick the **** out of any fan. I'm quite surprised by how their fans came across today. I expected a good game between two big clubs and the usual banter. They came across as a bunch of tinpot fans who were there for their cup final, like Preston or Burnley. I feel sorry for their true fans.

[West Brom Red]

You've got to admit it though some forest fans can be as big a pain in the arse as some leeds fans. As an away fan coming to the city ground i can imagine it to be very intimigating for them. I'll be honest i couldn't hear the istanbul chanting but it is sickening we wouldn't like it if it happened to a forest fan so the leeds fans are gonna be in uproar. Everybody beware at Elland Road coz they'll be after blood!!!!!

[cozzy, WE 8 DC]

at the end of the day forest fans never started singing that song until you sang a song about cloughie which sent our fans mad and after i walked up to the train station and didnt see much but it aint just forest that are to blame

[Adyduck]

All this should be put to bed now and we move on to the next game.Im sure both sets of fans said things and did things all of us find out of order & u will always get that minority who just go out to upset the apple cart.

[king billy]

All this should be put to bed now and we move on to the next game.Im sure both sets of fans said things and did things all of us find out of order & u will always get that minority who just go out to upset the apple cart.



:clap :clap :clap

[michael123]

did ANYONE actually hear the istanbul chanting? i think its probibly leeds fans trying to stir things and cause trouble for the return fixture, becuase i sure as hell didnt hear a word about it. and if we had im sure leeds fans would have kicked off like they did when leicester sang we heard you ran from the turkish.

anyway, its over now, good luck to both teams

[michael123]

http://www.football.virginmedia.com/page/leagueonevideo/0,,12555~1099730,00.html

[89db13]

did ANYONE actually hear the istanbul chanting? i think its probibly leeds fans trying to stir things and cause trouble for the return fixture, becuase i sure as hell didnt hear a word about it. and if we had im sure leeds fans would have kicked off like they did when leicester sang we heard you ran from the turkish.

anyway, its over now, good luck to both teamsThe istanbul chant was going strong in the capital one corner, but only after they were chanting bout Cloughie!! I must admit i joined in, when i hear their chants, and i hate Leeds and everything about them, they kick up massive fuss about istanbul, but then contradict themselves by stabbing two Tranmere fans.

[cozzy, WE 8 DC]

it was started when they sang about cloughie so i dont care if they can give it they have to take it back and i was in the cap 1 right up the top where the song came from