Big Spenders

[Interista]

These are the top ten salaries in the world:

1 Beckham, Manchester United (15 miljoen euro)
2 Zidane, Real Madrid (14 miljone euro)
3 Ronaldo, Real Madrid (11,7 miljoen euro)
4 Rio Ferdinand, Manchester United (9,62 miljoen euro)
5 Del Peiro, Juventus (9,55 miljoen euro)
6 Nakata, Parma (9,36 miljoen euro) :o :o
7 Raul, Real Madrid (9,3 miljoen euro)
8 Vieri, Inter Milan (9,28 miljoen euro)
9 Owen, Liverpool (8,9 miljoen euro)
10 Keane, Manchester United (8,65 miljoen euro)
source: De volkskrant.

Manchester may be the richest club in the world but 9.62 million a year for a defender is ridiculous. Is Rio Ferdinand really that much better that he earns more then a Nesta and Cannavaro together (both I consider better). David Beckham is a fantastic player but paying him 6 million euros more then Raul, Del Piero or Vieri is simple too much . Also Keane with 8.65 million a year is overrated compared with by example Edgar Davids or Patrick Vieira. Owen 8.9 million a year? Does he score a lot of goals or make a lot of assist? I don't think so. For god sake Liverpool didn't even managed to qualify for the champions league. 11,7 million for Ronaldo? Maybe Moratti did something good after all, since Ronaldo is mostly injured and his working attitude is far from being perfect.

But the biggest salary flop is NAKATA! Can anyone explain to me why NAKATA is earning more then Raul and Vieri? Compared to Parma's chairman Moratti is a saint

[soccerchic]

the only one who deserves to be paid that much is zidane.
but i always thought footballers get paid too much anyway. they're not exactly life savers, so why do they deserve to be paid so much?? can any of those stupid chairman justify why they should be paid so much? sure they make alot of sacrifices, but still it's too much.

[Zizou]

Nowadays in football, and not only, you pay for what can generate profits, and football players do generate such profits thanks to people coming to watch them at the stadium, their merchandise, etc...Hence Nakata paid so much (his Japanese merchandise and following is amazing).

Said that, I thought Recoba was Inter's most paid player? Kinda amazing how Inter have 4 players in the top 20 most paid players, yet they never win anything. Maybe Moratti should start using his head more; Recoba out (btw I heard Barca want him) and cut the wages to Vieri (30+ now) and half of the team and staff.

[Mark]

Originally posted by soccerchic@May 16 2003, 12:45 PM
the only one who deserves to be paid that much is zidane.
but i always thought footballers get paid too much anyway. they're not exactly life savers, so why do they deserve to be paid so much?? can any of those stupid chairman justify why they should be paid so much? sure they make alot of sacrifices, but still it's too much.
if you wanna compete with the best clubs in Europe you have to pay them the wages that their talent is worth, simple ;)

[soccerchic]

Originally posted by Zizou@May 16 2003, 09:54 PM
Recoba out (btw I heard Barca want him)
:o :o
where did you hear that?? :Kenzo's Smiley :nono

[soccerchic]

Originally posted by Mark+May 16 2003, 09:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ May 16 2003, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--soccerchic@May 16 2003, 12:45 PM
the only one who deserves to be paid that much is zidane.
but i always thought footballers get paid too much anyway. they're not exactly life savers, so why do they deserve to be paid so much?? can any of those stupid chairman justify why they should be paid so much? sure they make alot of sacrifices, but still it's too much.
if you wanna compete with the best clubs in Europe you have to pay them the wages that their talent is worth, simple ;) [/b][/quote]
like i said, they're not life savers, so why get paid so much? the only people who deserve to be paid crazy wages like that, are of course, life savers.

[Mark]

Originally posted by soccerchic+May 16 2003, 12:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (soccerchic @ May 16 2003, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark+May 16 2003, 09:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ May 16 2003, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--soccerchic@May 16 2003, 12:45 PM
the only one who deserves to be paid that much is zidane.
but i always thought footballers get paid too much anyway. they're not exactly life savers, so why do they deserve to be paid so much?? can any of those stupid chairman justify why they should be paid so much? sure they make alot of sacrifices, but still it's too much.
if you wanna compete with the best clubs in Europe you have to pay them the wages that their talent is worth, simple ;) [/b][/quote]
like i said, they're not life savers, so why get paid so much? the only people who deserve to be paid crazy wages like that, are of course, life savers. [/b][/quote]
no;) They give up their education and everything to play football so they deserve what they get if they have the talent to make it in the end...if you don't like it don't but Barcelona merchandise or don't pay to go to Barcelona games...point is Entertainment pays, should we say actors shouldn't be paid so much or comedians or golfers etc etc they earn what people are willing to pay :clap :clap :clap

[Zizou]

It's all about money. The more you pay, the more you get. Football clubs are companies nowadays, and they are treated as such.

[soccerchic]

Originally posted by Mark+May 16 2003, 10:01 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ May 16 2003, 10:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--soccerchic+May 16 2003, 12:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (soccerchic @ May 16 2003, 12:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Mark+May 16 2003, 09:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ May 16 2003, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--soccerchic@May 16 2003, 12:45 PM
the only one who deserves to be paid that much is zidane.
but i always thought footballers get paid too much anyway. they're not exactly life savers, so why do they deserve to be paid so much?? can any of those stupid chairman justify why they should be paid so much? sure they make alot of sacrifices, but still it's too much.
if you wanna compete with the best clubs in Europe you have to pay them the wages that their talent is worth, simple ;) [/b][/quote]
like i said, they're not life savers, so why get paid so much? the only people who deserve to be paid crazy wages like that, are of course, life savers. [/b][/quote]
no;) They give up their education and everything to play football so they deserve what they get if they have the talent to make it in the end...if you don't like it don't but Barcelona merchandise or don't pay to go to Barcelona games...point is Entertainment pays, should we say actors shouldn't be paid so much or comedians or golfers etc etc they earn what people are willing to pay :clap :clap :clap [/b][/quote]
not all of them give up their education, only a small amount who were probably dumb anyway and knew they would be better off as footballers :laugh
i'm not saying so much shouldn't be put into clubs like all the revenue and stuff, but it shouldn't go mostly to the players. it should be spread out. that is why these days there are so many clubs with so many debts, it's because their players wages are just too much.

[Jere Markus]

. Is Rio Ferdinand really that much better that he earns more then a Nesta and Cannavaro together (both I consider better).


that´s what I´ve been thinking. First 30 million in transfer fee, then this salary!!

Also Keane with 8.65 million a year is overrated compared with by example Edgar Davids or Patrick Vieira

And how many games did Keano play this season? And how many will he play next season? That´s maybe 500,000/game?

Owen 8.9 million a year? Does he score a lot of goals or make a lot of assist? I don't think so

IMO Pool is right to pay Owen that money. Pool don´t have many superstars (they got lots of good players though) - they gotta hold on to the superstars with all they got!! They´ve build their whole offence around owen, hence owen is the FRANCISE PLAYER. Surely you pay your francise player.

There are some teams that are not balanced (footywise, or the books?), but their whole offence is build around 1-2 players. But the most succesfull teams (ManU, Arse, Real, Juve) have a very well balanced team with lots of weapons.

Like, when I´m a "small" team like Soton - I must try and keep Beattie for any price!! same for Pool and Owen. And bolton/okocha

[Mark]

so ignorant ;)

not all of them give up their education, only a small amount who were probably dumb anyway and knew they would be better off as footballers&nbsp;
pretty much all have to give up their education to play football for their team fulltime and they don't even know if they will be accepted, they could be chucked out at 18 because they ain't hood enough and then they're f***ed...

:laugh
i'm not saying so much shouldn't be put into clubs like all the revenue and stuff, but it shouldn't go mostly to the players. it should be spread out. that is why these days there are so many clubs with so many debts, it's because their players wages are just too much.
I'm sure the directors get their share, Ferguson the manager is on £70k a week so he's getting his share, no doubt the shareholders get enough £££ in dividends so I don't think the others are doing too badly considering United made a £20m profit last yr with these massive wages etc

Jere: Keane played 32 games this season

And all these figures are after all theri outside endorsements etc, that ain't what the club pays them, that's their wages + whatever adidas, nike etc pay them too

[Jere Markus]

adidas, nike etc pay them too

than it´s more complicated and more difficult to compare..

[Mark]

Originally posted by Jere Markus@May 16 2003, 01:39 PM
adidas, nike etc pay them too

than it´s more complicated and more difficult to compare..
well if you look at those figures it says Beckham is on £10m a yr around that, no way do Man Utd pay him £400,000 a wekk, more like £90,000 so the rest is endorsements

[Interista]

Originally posted by Zizou@May 16 2003, 11:54 AM
Said that, I thought Recoba was Inter's most paid player?
So was I ZZ, but fortunately the best nerazzurro earns also the most.


By the way the figures mentioned are total income (club salary + sponsorship deals + bonuses). At least that's what the taxman think....

[Paisley]

You have it wrong kidda. That isn't there salary from the club, that is what they earn in TOTAL. Sponsorships and all that is included - why do you think Nakata is on there?

As for being overpaid :nono Schumacher gets £20 million A YEAR for driving a car around a track for 2 hours every 2 weeks. That is overpaid. Any American athlete gets a s***load more than a footballer in sports which don't take as much to get the very top. Who do you want the money to go to soccerchic? The chairman? The shareholders? The directors? TV?

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Paisley@May 16 2003, 10:32 PM
You have it wrong kidda. That isn't there salary from the club, that is what they earn in TOTAL. Sponsorships and all that is included - why do you think Nakata is on there?

As for being overpaid :nono Schumacher gets £20 million A YEAR for driving a car around a track for 2 hours every 2 weeks. That is overpaid. Any American athlete gets a s***load more than a footballer in sports which don't take as much to get the very top. Who do you want the money to go to soccerchic? The chairman? The shareholders? The directors? TV?
Well, what the clubs could do is pay the players less, so that they save more money, and instead lower ticket prizes... :)

[Mark]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+May 16 2003, 10:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ May 16 2003, 10:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Paisley@May 16 2003, 10:32 PM
You have it wrong kidda.&nbsp; That isn't there salary from the club, that is what they earn in TOTAL.&nbsp; Sponsorships and all that is included - why do you think Nakata is on there?

As for being overpaid&nbsp; :nono Schumacher gets £20 million A YEAR for driving a car around a track for 2 hours every 2 weeks.&nbsp; That is overpaid.&nbsp; Any American athlete gets a s***load more than a footballer in sports which don't take as much to get the very top.&nbsp; Who do you want the money to go to soccerchic?&nbsp; The chairman?&nbsp; The shareholders?&nbsp; The directors?&nbsp; TV?
Well, what the clubs could do is pay the players less, so that they save more money, and instead lower ticket prizes... :) [/b][/quote]
if they lower wages the shareholders will expect more money as will the directors, this is a business you know!!!

[soccerchic]

Originally posted by Paisley@May 17 2003, 06:32 AM
You have it wrong kidda. That isn't there salary from the club, that is what they earn in TOTAL. Sponsorships and all that is included - why do you think Nakata is on there?

As for being overpaid :nono Schumacher gets £20 million A YEAR for driving a car around a track for 2 hours every 2 weeks. That is overpaid. Any American athlete gets a s***load more than a footballer in sports which don't take as much to get the very top. Who do you want the money to go to soccerchic? The chairman? The shareholders? The directors? TV?
would you rather them give alot to the players and have them facing bankrupcy? why do you think plenty of clubs are having financial troubles? there's so many other places where the money could go other than the players wallets, like spread it out to the grassroots or use the money to pay off even the smallest of debts and buy players. imagine how many great players liverpool could afford to buy if they didn't pay their players so much. i'm not saying there's too much money in soccer, just too much money that goes into the players pockets.

[Mark]

Originally posted by soccerchic+May 17 2003, 12:40 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (soccerchic @ May 17 2003, 12:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Paisley@May 17 2003, 06:32 AM
You have it wrong kidda.&nbsp; That isn't there salary from the club, that is what they earn in TOTAL.&nbsp; Sponsorships and all that is included - why do you think Nakata is on there?

As for being overpaid&nbsp; :nono Schumacher gets £20 million A YEAR for driving a car around a track for 2 hours every 2 weeks.&nbsp; That is overpaid.&nbsp; Any American athlete gets a s***load more than a footballer in sports which don't take as much to get the very top.&nbsp; Who do you want the money to go to soccerchic?&nbsp; The chairman?&nbsp; The shareholders?&nbsp; The directors?&nbsp; TV?
would you rather them give alot to the players and have them facing bankrupcy? why do you think plenty of clubs are having financial troubles? there's so many other places where the money could go other than the players wallets, like spread it out to the grassroots or use the money to pay off even the smallest of debts and buy players. imagine how many great players liverpool could afford to buy if they didn't pay their players so much. i'm not saying there's too much money in soccer, just too much money that goes into the players pockets. [/b][/quote]
and why would the top players sign for you if you pay them sweet F.A ;) Players earn you money, and they don't do it for nothing, they deserve to get something back in return, or do you think they should offer their services for free :rolleyes: So Liverpool could get all these great players with the money saved on wages but then hang on, the best players get the best wages but you won't pay them ;) And no if anything not enough money goes in the players' pockets, without their talent you have nothing, they are the reason we enjoy the game, all the money is brought in through their existence and talent

[Interista]

Players you give a lot to the club and do important thing on the field deserve to have a good salary. However players you don't archieve anything like Owen and Nakata don't.

[Mark]

Originally posted by Interista@May 17 2003, 08:34 AM
Players you give a lot to the club and do important thing on the field deserve to have a good salary. However players you don't archieve anything like Owen and Nakata don't.
Owen got 24 goals this season I think it was, hefy % of the total goals Liverpool scored, can't do everyhting by yourself can ya! Nakata sells shirts in Japan so that's why he's paid so much

[Jere Markus]

would you rather them give alot to the players and have them facing bankrupcy? why do you think plenty of clubs are having financial troubles

excatly. Players should also realize that their employer will go bankcrupt if the wages keep on soaring.

[Zizou]

:laugh Nice picture Interista. For those that don't know, that's the first leg game of this season between Inter-Juve (last November I think), when Inter drew level 1-1 thanks to that episode which turned football into rugby :rolleyes:

Anyway now it's passed water :D

[Paisley]

However players you don't archieve anything like Owen

Explain........................................... ............

[Interista]

Originally posted by Zizou@May 17 2003, 12:15 PM
:laugh Nice picture Interista. For those that don't know, that's the first leg game of this season between Inter-Juve (last November I think), when Inter drew level 1-1 thanks to that episode which turned football into rugby :rolleyes:

Anyway now it's passed water :D
You know your classics Zizou, drawed in the 95th minute, thanks to Bobo (officially) and Francesco Toldo (unofficially)

[odpkid10]

Originally posted by soccerchic+May 16 2003, 11:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (soccerchic @ May 16 2003, 11:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Mark+May 16 2003, 09:54 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mark @ May 16 2003, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-soccerchic@May 16 2003, 12:45 PM
the only one who deserves to be paid that much is zidane.
but i always thought footballers get paid too much anyway. they're not exactly life savers, so why do they deserve to be paid so much?? can any of those stupid chairman justify why they should be paid so much? sure they make alot of sacrifices, but still it's too much.
if you wanna compete with the best clubs in Europe you have to pay them the wages that their talent is worth, simple ;) [/b][/quote]
like i said, they're not life savers, so why get paid so much? the only people who deserve to be paid crazy wages like that, are of course, life savers.[/b][/quote]
soccerchic.... ur kinda correct and wrong

you see why the hell should beckham be getting paid soo much money when he sure as hell dosent distribute as much as zidane. you see its all politics beckham gets paid much beacause he can curve a ball so well and people by his gear thats why hes popular and so coaches say i want that guy on my team so people buy from their team and they make a good profit. who cares can he sell a roberto carlos 1on1??dont think soo! so ur right that there getting paid cause their playing at a high level of of competition but zidane roberto carlos rivaldo should be getting paid more than him beacause their the playmakers not beckham! wheres ronaldo without rivaldo?ronaldo has noone to play amazing balls to him so he can get his goals of glory! its alll politics as i said its who noes who!

[cider]

Originally posted by Mark@May 16 2003, 11:54 AM

if you wanna compete with the best clubs in Europe you have to pay them the wages that their talent is worth, simple ;)
I see what you're saying, but you have to admit it's stupid money by any standards.

[puyolman]

they should get a low basic salary and more bonusses if the team ends good in competitions.
place 1 ...millions
place2 ... millions


the higher you end the more you get
so they will work harder