Come on Real

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1-0 :clap :clap :salute Ronaldo

[Excelsior]

:party

:salute Man Utd

[ticcan123]

Has anyone noticed how few chances Real Madrid create?? Over the two legs they cant have created more than 10-12 chances compared to Man Utds 15-20, never have i known a team to finish chances so clinically.

However RM are very pretty to watch but they dont seem to create many chances, they mesmerize u with short passes and little flicks and it looks very good, but i dont rate them that highly. I fancy Juve's chances, they will be much better organised than Man Utd were and we showed how crap RM's defence is, just ours played crapper lol

[welshwizard]

If you notice, Real only seem to try when they have to ;) ;)

[ticcan123]

Well judgiung by reports from Spain they were not happy with the 3-1 score in the first leg, so i am guessing they were trying to score more in that game but didnt.

Look at their 6 goals

1. Lucky or brilliant strike
2. Mistake from Scholes
3. Shot from edge of area

4. Shocking positioning from Ferdinand and Barthez
5. Brilliant play
6. Shot from edge of area

Can anyone think of many other chances they created? Excluding the 2 long shots, which were half chances they actually created one brilliant goal from teamwork where they opened up the defence

[welshwizard]

As I said, they only scored when they needed to :banghead :banghead

[ticcan123]

Well as i said they felt they needed to score more in the first leg but didnt. Look at their results this season in europe, they have scraped through and u cant cut it that fine by design.

They will be shown up by an organised Italian team, who wont be bemused my short passes and flicks

[welshwizard]

Originally posted by ticcan@Apr 23 2003, 09:35 PM
They will be shown up by an organised Italian team, who wont be bemused my short passes and flicks
Why would they be bemused by YOUR short passes and flicks :laugh :laugh

I think they are like a thoroughbred racehorse that only ever seems to do enough to win and never pound the opposition.

[Mark]

Excelsior why do you hate Man Utd but like Real Madrid, surely they both have the qualities you hate in them?

[Zizou]

After watching tonight's game, I'm more confident about our chances against Real. We even know well some of those players so we shouldn't be surprised, and I think Zidane will be controlled well like he was in France-Italy of 98 and 2000. Too bad Davids won't be around.

Real's defence is quite poor for a team of that calibre, probably cos all those flair midfielders are not so good at defending and going down to help the defence.

[ticcan123]

I agree, they have been way overhyped, just becuase they keep the ball very well does not make them the best team the world has ever seen. they dont create all that many chances as a team and rely on individuals to do a bit of flair.

Watch them in Europe other than the two legs and in a lot of spanish league matches and they look average, as when the flair players cant produce they cant do it as a team.

Juve v AC final i say, anyone but overhyped RM!!

[Zizou]

Personally I would have preferred to meet Real in a 1 legged match (that is the final) as I think they`re much more vulnerable that way.

But oh well, we will as usual play with all the determination we can offer and go for a win.

[welshwizard]

Originally posted by ticcan@Apr 23 2003, 10:34 PM
I agree, they have been way overhyped, just becuase they keep the ball very well does not make them the best team the world has ever seen. they dont create all that many chances as a team and rely on individuals to do a bit of flair.

Watch them in Europe other than the two legs and in a lot of spanish league matches and they look average, as when the flair players cant produce they cant do it as a team.

Juve v AC final i say, anyone but overhyped RM!!
But Man Utd have already beaten Juve home and away ;)

Form suggests an easy win for Real

[Zizou]

Originally posted by welshwizard+Apr 24 2003, 10:16 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (welshwizard @ Apr 24 2003, 10:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--ticcan@Apr 23 2003, 10:34 PM
I agree, they have been way overhyped, just becuase they keep the ball very well does not make them the best team the world has ever seen.* they dont create all that many chances as a team and rely on individuals to do a bit of flair.*

Watch them in Europe other than the two legs and in a lot of spanish league matches and they look average, as when the flair players cant produce they cant do it as a team.

Juve v AC final i say, anyone but overhyped RM!!
But Man Utd have already beaten Juve home and away ;)

Form suggests an easy win for Real [/b][/quote]
:rolleyes: Come on, we all know in what circumstances that happened.

But if you want to use that logic, than we can say that Juve will win at the Bernabau cos Roma defeated RM 1-0 and even Milan won at San Siro against the spaniards. Also Barca drew 1-1 at the Bernabau, etc etc

That line of thought does not hold. Each game has it's own story, and even though I'm scared of the first leg seeing how we shall miss Davids, Montero and Tacchinardi (and Trezeguet still doubtful), I'm sure we can give it all and go for a win.

[soccerbest]

Depends how Juve defence kept their discipline like what they did at the Nou Camp, not like what they did against us in Turin. :laugh

This Real side is capable of scoring at anytime, think Juve will also want revenge for the 98 final defeat.

[welshwizard]

I'm well aware of that ZZ ;)

My comment was tongue-in-cheek as who the hell can predict football matches????

Also a dig at the idiots on here who continue to put down Real Madrid. They are the most entertaining side in the CL for years and yet people are trying to find fault!! What do you want?? Liverpool and Inter in a classic final???

Seems to me, the very fans who accuse all other premiership fans of being "jealous" are suffering from the same symptoms ;)

[Zizou]

Originally posted by welshwizard@Apr 24 2003, 10:39 AM
What do you want?? Liverpool and Inter in a classic final???
:laugh Excellent point.

What I meant was that RM are beatable, just like Juve were beatable by Utd. I think if we really had to draw the 4 teams that deserved the semis, they should have been RM, Utd, Juve and Milan. Inter are really a fish out of their water :rolleyes:

[ticcan123]

Originally posted by welshwizard@Apr 24 2003, 08:39 AM
I'm well aware of that ZZ ;)

My comment was tongue-in-cheek as who the hell can predict football matches????

Also a dig at the idiots on here who continue to put down Real Madrid. They are the most entertaining side in the CL for years and yet people are trying to find fault!! What do you want?? Liverpool and Inter in a classic final???

Seems to me, the very fans who accuse all other premiership fans of being "jealous" are suffering from the same symptoms ;)
Entertaining as they keep hold of the ball??? They are a collection of individuals and thus will never be as good to watch as a complete unit. Yes technically they are brilliant but if you get an organised team against them they will come rapidly unstuck.

The RM team of 98 was much better than this one.

I cant believe how people have been overhyping them, some were even saying this might be the greatest football team ever!! Get a grip they played a crap man utd - 1st leg - and a useless defensive performance 2nd leg and still only won 6-5

[acb]

Inter in the Semifinals (playin against a team they CAN beat)(even if they've lost 2 times on 2 against them, this season) is INCREDIBLE! How come? UEFA make a new immediate rule to eliminate Inter, c'mon! That's worse than South Corea in the Semi.

[stefi81]

Originally posted by Zizou@Apr 24 2003, 08:49 AM
Inter are really a fish out of their water&nbsp; :rolleyes:
:bowing
:D :D :D
Couldn't agree more!

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by Mark@Apr 23 2003, 11:14 PM
Excelsior why do you hate Man Utd but like Real Madrid, surely they both have the qualities you hate in them?
I don't hate clubs for being a big club... :rolleyes:

[Mark]

why the hate then? :rolleyes:

[Excelsior]

Everybody has clubs he likes and dislikes. I also dislike 2 little Dutch clubs: Sparta and Haarlem. Other teams I dislike are: Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, Glasgow Rangers, Man. Utd, Wimbledon FC and Barcelona. From all those teams are Ajax, Wimbledon FC and Sparta the only ones I really hate!

[ticcan123]

Do u actually mean hate or just dislike, cos seems awful lot of energy to be wasted on it. What would be the point in hating any club?

[Excelsior]

In my post I mentioned 3 clubs I hate (all logical because of my favourite clubs), the rest is just 'dislike'.

[welshwizard]

Originally posted by ticcan+Apr 24 2003, 09:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ticcan @ Apr 24 2003, 09:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--welshwizard@Apr 24 2003, 08:39 AM
I'm well aware of that ZZ ;)

My comment was tongue-in-cheek as who the hell can predict football matches????

Also a dig at the idiots on here who continue to put down Real Madrid. They are the most entertaining side in the CL for years and yet people are trying to find fault!!&nbsp; What do you want??&nbsp; Liverpool and Inter in a classic final???

Seems to me, the very fans who accuse all other premiership fans of being "jealous" are suffering from the same symptoms ;)
Entertaining as they keep hold of the ball??? They are a collection of individuals and thus will never be as good to watch as a complete unit. Yes technically they are brilliant but if you get an organised team against them they will come rapidly unstuck.

The RM team of 98 was much better than this one.

I cant believe how people have been overhyping them, some were even saying this might be the greatest football team ever!! Get a grip they played a crap man utd - 1st leg - and a useless defensive performance 2nd leg and still only won 6-5 [/b][/quote]
You have simply confirmed my last point in your post ;) :clap

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Excelsior@Apr 24 2003, 02:36 PM
In my post I mentioned 3 clubs I hate (all logical because of my favourite clubs), the rest is just 'dislike'.
Hmmm, doesn't seem to be logical to me, why hate AJAX if your favourite club is excelsior...we don't feel any rivalry towards you..... well unless you lie in your signature and you feel that you're feyenoord 2..

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 03:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Excelsior@Apr 24 2003, 02:36 PM
In my post I mentioned 3 clubs I hate (all logical because of my favourite clubs), the rest is just 'dislike'.
Hmmm, doesn't seem to be logical to me, why hate AJAX if your favourite club is excelsior...we don't feel any rivalry towards you..... well unless you lie in your signature and you feel that you're feyenoord 2.. [/b][/quote]
Feyenoord is among my 'diliked' teams, I really don't support them.
But you don't understand why we hate Ajax? Well, thats the same reason as why Feyenoord and Sparta hate you, we are Rotterdammers! Ajax is from Amsterdam, says enough. Even the Feyenoord - Ajax rivalry is because of the Amsterdam - Rotterdam rivalry. Even the first Ajax - Feyenoord ever went out of hand.

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Excelsior+Apr 24 2003, 06:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Excelsior @ Apr 24 2003, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 03:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Excelsior@Apr 24 2003, 02:36 PM
In my post I mentioned 3 clubs I hate (all logical because of my favourite clubs), the rest is just 'dislike'.
Hmmm, doesn't seem to be logical to me, why hate AJAX if your favourite club is excelsior...we don't feel any rivalry towards you..... well unless you lie in your signature and you feel that you're feyenoord 2.. [/b][/quote]
Feyenoord is among my 'diliked' teams, I really don't support them.
But you don't understand why we hate Ajax? Well, thats the same reason as why Feyenoord and Sparta hate you, we are Rotterdammers! Ajax is from Amsterdam, says enough. Even the Feyenoord - Ajax rivalry is because of the Amsterdam - Rotterdam rivalry. Even the first Ajax - Feyenoord ever went out of hand. [/b][/quote]
So stupid, city-rivalry...why hate another city??? What did the other city do wrong, it's a part of YOUR COUNTRY, so why hate it...:huh:

I think this whole city thing is bull anyway, I'm certain Rotterdammers enjoy being in Amsterdam, just like the other way around.... Don't go and tell me no Rotterdammer(No feyenoord/excelsior/sparta fan) ever goes to Amsterdam, that's bull

You hate Amsterdam huh, you're gonna tell me you never went to Amsterdam, except for going to the ArenA ???

[number_9]

I think that man utd showed tha they can compete at the highest level, and they really made real play yesterday. I think that man u learned alot from the matches and in general the whole CL this season. I think that Real is favouriets to lift the Cup again, but the game of the next round has to be the milan derby. Should be a firerey game..I am looking forward to that!

[southern_geordie]

Originally posted by number_9@Apr 24 2003, 06:23 PM
Should be a firerey game..I am looking forward to that!
as am I :) . Should be good

[Zizou]

The Milan derby will be boring with probably the winner emering with a 1-0 aggregate result (last 4 derby games all ended 1-0).

I think the Real-Juve game has more to offer. We are going to see Europe's top 2 teams in terms of domestic leagues won (over 50) + double digits of european and intercontinental cups won. Also it's the game between the 2 teams that have the highest number of fans in Europe. Further to that, they`re both heading their respective leagues and aiming for the double.

Isn't the above a premise for an excellent encounter? Sure is!

[acb]

Add Zidane's return to Turin and we will have the perfect mix.

[Mark]

they reckon Juve will sit back and not be so naive as we were, won't be such a good game if you do that, all good if you win though :clap

[acb]

With Real you cant defend. You gotta attack them. Lippi knows it. We just in troubles cause Tacchinardi, Davids and Montero will not play Game 1. And we got no midfielders to play! But oh, we still got Nedved, and we will have the real Del Piero and Trezeguet back. We can do it. We need to score 1 goal in Madrid and then we will try to make it to the Final in Turin.

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 05:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Excelsior+Apr 24 2003, 06:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Excelsior @ Apr 24 2003, 06:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 03:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Excelsior@Apr 24 2003, 02:36 PM
In my post I mentioned 3 clubs I hate (all logical because of my favourite clubs), the rest is just 'dislike'.
Hmmm, doesn't seem to be logical to me, why hate AJAX if your favourite club is excelsior...we don't feel any rivalry towards you..... well unless you lie in your signature and you feel that you're feyenoord 2.. [/b][/quote]
Feyenoord is among my 'diliked' teams, I really don't support them.
But you don't understand why we hate Ajax? Well, thats the same reason as why Feyenoord and Sparta hate you, we are Rotterdammers! Ajax is from Amsterdam, says enough. Even the Feyenoord - Ajax rivalry is because of the Amsterdam - Rotterdam rivalry. Even the first Ajax - Feyenoord ever went out of hand. [/b][/quote]
So stupid, city-rivalry...why hate another city??? What did the other city do wrong, it's a part of YOUR COUNTRY, so why hate it...:huh:

I think this whole city thing is bull anyway, I'm certain Rotterdammers enjoy being in Amsterdam, just like the other way around.... Don't go and tell me no Rotterdammer(No feyenoord/excelsior/sparta fan) ever goes to Amsterdam, that's bull

You hate Amsterdam huh, you're gonna tell me you never went to Amsterdam, except for going to the ArenA ??? [/b][/quote]
You may think its 'stupid', but it's hundreds of years old this rivalry, and still going on. Rotterdam and Amsterdam are a bit of opposites to eachother and that causes rivalry. And the times I'm in Amsterdam without going to the ArenA is not so much, around once in 2 years.

[Mark]

maybe he hates the team that plays in Amsterdam VdV ;)

[Zizou]

Originally posted by acb@Apr 25 2003, 03:09 AM
With Real you cant defend. You gotta attack them. Lippi knows it. We just in troubles cause Tacchinardi, Davids and Montero will not play Game 1. And we got no midfielders to play! But oh, we still got Nedved, and we will have the real Del Piero and Trezeguet back. We can do it. We need to score 1 goal in Madrid and then we will try to make it to the Final in Turin.
How do you reckon we should play? Maybe Lippi might put 3 central defenders like in the second half of Barca, as that seemed to close down all their attacks. Also maybe put a player man marking on Zidane like in France 98 or Holland 2000 so to cancel him out.

[ticcan123]

Originally posted by welshwizard+Apr 24 2003, 01:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (welshwizard @ Apr 24 2003, 01:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--ticcan+Apr 24 2003, 09:15 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ticcan @ Apr 24 2003, 09:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--welshwizard@Apr 24 2003, 08:39 AM
I'm well aware of that ZZ ;)

My comment was tongue-in-cheek as who the hell can predict football matches????

Also a dig at the idiots on here who continue to put down Real Madrid. They are the most entertaining side in the CL for years and yet people are trying to find fault!!* What do you want??* Liverpool and Inter in a classic final???

Seems to me, the very fans who accuse all other premiership fans of being "jealous" are suffering from the same symptoms ;)
Entertaining as they keep hold of the ball??? They are a collection of individuals and thus will never be as good to watch as a complete unit. Yes technically they are brilliant but if you get an organised team against them they will come rapidly unstuck.

The RM team of 98 was much better than this one.

I cant believe how people have been overhyping them, some were even saying this might be the greatest football team ever!! Get a grip they played a crap man utd - 1st leg - and a useless defensive performance 2nd leg and still only won 6-5 [/b][/quote]
You have simply confirmed my last point in your post ;) :clap [/b][/quote]
U dont have points WW :salute

[ticcan123]

Hating anyone is a complete waste of energy, what on earth is the point?? s*** like that over something like football that breeds the attitude that causes war.

Juve should sit back and soak up the pressure, exactly like they did against Barca. If you attack RM too much they can destroy u on the break as their players are so skillful. Just push them back and keep your shape and you will get chances.

Definitely play a sweeper to stop Raul - will he be fit? - and Ronaldo getting behind your defence, man mark Zidane and you shoudl do well. I have high hopes, Lippi is a class coach and will know what to do :)

[Mark]

Hating anyone is a complete waste of energy, what on earth is the point?? s*** like that over something like football that breeds the attitude that causes war.
hating in this sense probably meaning that you hope they lose every game and cheer for their opponents, doesn't waste much energy at all

[ticcan123]

I think that would be the dislike he talked about.

Hating would be what a lot of Man City and Liverpool fans have towards Man Utd where they actually hate everything about us, get pissed off when we win and cheer like their team has won when we lose. Is this what u mean Excel?

[Zizou]

Raul won't be available for the first match (they said he needs 10 days of absolute rest, and then 2/3 weeks to get back in form), but he might be for the second.

[Mark]

Originally posted by ticcan@Apr 25 2003, 11:33 AM
I think that would be the dislike he talked about.

Hating would be what a lot of Man City and Liverpool fans have towards Man Utd where they actually hate everything about us, get pissed off when we win and cheer like their team has won when we lose. Is this what u mean Excel?
not quite that bad with me although I do love it when Liverpool and Arsenal lose :ph34r: Don't go out of my way to listen to their games etc but always check the scores and if we've won and they've lost makes ya feel much happier :clap

[ticcan123]

Yeah same here, although less with Liverpool as i dont see them as a remote threat to us. I am always happier when Arsenal lose as it means we have a better chance of winning the league, thats just competition.

Its when you want a team to lose so badly regardless of whether they are in competition with you at the time or not.

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by ticcan@Apr 25 2003, 11:33 AM
I think that would be the dislike he talked about.

Hating would be what a lot of Man City and Liverpool fans have towards Man Utd where they actually hate everything about us, get pissed off when we win and cheer like their team has won when we lose. Is this what u mean Excel?
Well, it's just where you draw the line between hate and dislike. With hate I mean I hope the club loses every week, and if they do, I'll really enjoy it. With dislike I mean I don't like the team, hope they don't win prizes, like it when they lose a game but if they win a game, it can't bother me that much either.