AC Milan - AJAX

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Wednesday is the big night, the return match between AC Milan - AJAX. First match in Amsterdam ended 0-0.

AC Milan are without Seedorf and Pirlo, they're out for the rest of the season. Rui Costa and Maldini are doubtful for the match.

AJAX have a lot of injuries, doubtfull for the match already were Trabelsi and de Jong, in today's match 2 other important players became doubtful too, Maxwell and Rafael van der Vaart :o :angry: :censored :(

Maxwell went off injured after he was tackled, VDV went off cause he collided against an opponent :banghead he has a concussion of the brain. It's very doubtfull if he's going to make it... :censored :censored :censored :angry:

A positive point for AJAX is that Pienaar and Galasek will be back from injury, they can play against Milan..

[Mark]

think Milan will be the favourites but good luck to Ajax hopefully, be checking for your result and hoping ya get a result :clap

[nicodemus]

s***...rui costa is the heart of their midfield...and maldini in defense is priceless!!! :crying ...buti still pick them to win!!!!

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by nicodemus@Apr 19 2003, 11:55 PM
s***...rui costa is the heart of their midfield...and maldini in defense is priceless!!! :crying ...buti still pick them to win!!!!

they're doubtfull, but will probably make it....:(

think Milan will be the favourites but good luck to Ajax hopefully, be checking for your result and hoping ya get a result

Thanks... :king

Hope the same for you, although beating Real won't be easy..........but if Barca could get a draw....who knows... ;)

[Zizou]

If Milan play as they have played lately, Ajax have a good chance of winning. Today against Empoli (a relegation battling side) Milan lost 1-0 at home and played poorly (no ideas - shows that Rui Costa, Seedorf and Pirlo are out).

BTW Rivaldo is one of the most hyped players ever; he's so s***, probably Milan's worst player. He's too slow, no wonder Barca let him go for free.

[Zizou]

Oh yeah good luck, but only if you promise me you will be able to defeat Inter in the semis (if they make it through) :D

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Zizou@Apr 20 2003, 01:00 AM
If Milan play as they have played lately, Ajax have a good chance of winning. Today against Empoli (a relegation battling side) Milan lost 1-0 at home and played poorly (no ideas - shows that Rui Costa, Seedorf and Pirlo are out).

BTW Rivaldo is one of the most hyped players ever; he's so s***, probably Milan's worst player. He's too slow, no wonder Barca let him go for free.
I knew Milan lost, but did Milan play with their best (possible) line up?

About Rivaldo I agree, I've been saying he's s*** for a pretty long time, the guy's way too selfish. In the past his selfishness got him somewhere, now it gets him nowhere but in trouble...

[soccerchic]

trabelsi?? :o what happened to him?? that's going to be a big loss! :nono who's going to replace him??

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by soccerchic@Apr 20 2003, 12:58 PM
trabelsi?? :o what happened to him?? that's going to be a big loss! :nono who's going to replace him??
Trabelsi just played too many matches, I think he already played about 40 matches this year. If players have too play that many they'll get injured eventually, that's what happened to Trabelsi..

And yeah, it's a damn big loss, he's about our most dangerous attacker, even tho he's a defender... :rolleyes:

It's not sure whether he's going to make it or not, I really hope he will, cause without him AJAX won't be half as dangerous as possible... :( :censored

His replacement would be Nigel de Jong, but as I posted earlier, he's injured too :devil :banghead He's also doubtful. If neither of them will be ready too play, I think Yakubu or Bergdolmo will be on the right back position.. :rolleyes: :devil

[Zizou]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 20 2003, 12:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 20 2003, 12:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Zizou@Apr 20 2003, 01:00 AM
If Milan play as they have played lately, Ajax have a good chance of winning. Today against Empoli (a relegation battling side) Milan lost 1-0 at home and played poorly (no ideas - shows that Rui Costa, Seedorf and Pirlo are out).

BTW Rivaldo is one of the most hyped players ever; he's so s***, probably Milan's worst player. He's too slow, no wonder Barca let him go for free.
I knew Milan lost, but did Milan play with their best (possible) line up?

About Rivaldo I agree, I've been saying he's s*** for a pretty long time, the guy's way too selfish. In the past his selfishness got him somewhere, now it gets him nowhere but in trouble... [/b][/quote]
They were very close to their best formation as they were still fighting for the Serie A or at least 2nd placing.

Milan have a problem that they f*** it all up with the small teams so Ajax should take advantage of this.

[Excelsior]

FORZA MILAN!!! :clap :clap :clap

[Van Der Vaart 23]

AJAX news:

After Pienaar and Galasek, it looks that de Jong and Trabelsi will also be able to play on wednesday...

Bad news is that together with VDV and Maxwell, Litmanen(again.. :() and Zlatan also got injured in Saturday's match...:censored :banghead

It's not sure whether they are going to make it or not, VDV's chances of makin' it are small... :censored :censored :censored :angry: :(

[footie_master]

i will setle for a draw 0-0 or 1-1 or something like that. But i hope they dont play for the draw cause usually you end up with nothing.

to bad i cant see the match, have to play footy myself.

[Knoert]

Originally posted by Excelsior@Apr 20 2003, 01:22 PM
FORZA MILAN!!! :clap :clap :clap
:clap :clap :clap :laugh :laugh :laugh :clap :clap :clap

[Forza Utreg]

I think and hope Milan will beat the f*cking Ajax.

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Forza Utreg@Apr 21 2003, 02:52 PM
I think and hope Milan will beat the f*cking Ajax.
we have the cup :salute :salute :salute

but welcome anyway...:laugh :laugh :laugh

[Van Der Vaart 23]

AJAX news:

Litmanen and Zlatan will be able to play, although they're not 100% fit. Galasek suddenly is doubtful again, just like Maxwell and VDV

Those players do go to Milan, but if they're able to play, will become clear on wednesday..

Anybody have some Milan news?? Zizou maybe, since you can easily check Italian media??

[Zizou]

Well for Milan definitely out are Seedorf and Pirlo.

Probably they`ll play upfront with Inzaghi and Shevcenko.

Maldini is still doubtful cos of his broken nose.

Apart from that I think they should have full team.

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Zizou@Apr 21 2003, 03:57 PM
Well for Milan definitely out are Seedorf and Pirlo.

Probably they`ll play upfront with Inzaghi and Shevcenko.

Maldini is still doubtful cos of his broken nose.

Apart from that I think they should have full team.
So, Maldini still doubtful...more chances of making it, or a small chance of making it??

For the rest a full team...I guess it means that Rui Costa is fit again..(?)

[Ajax&#33;_Seb]

You're all forgtetting that Gatusso is suspended! That's another Milan midfielder gone! :clap

[Zizou]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 21 2003, 05:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 21 2003, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Zizou@Apr 21 2003, 03:57 PM
Well for Milan definitely out are Seedorf and Pirlo.

Probably they`ll play upfront with Inzaghi and Shevcenko.

Maldini is still doubtful cos of his broken nose.

Apart from that I think they should have full team.
So, Maldini still doubtful...more chances of making it, or a small chance of making it??

For the rest a full team...I guess it means that Rui Costa is fit again..(?) [/b][/quote]
About Maldini, they say he's unlikely to play, but it might be pre-tactic so don'r count on it.

Rui Costa should play but well you never know.

Gattuso isn't a really great midfielder, he's just a fighter ;) Amborsini will take his place, and in my eyes he's better than Gattuso.

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Zizou+Apr 21 2003, 08:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Zizou @ Apr 21 2003, 08:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 21 2003, 05:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 21 2003, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Zizou@Apr 21 2003, 03:57 PM
Well for Milan definitely out are Seedorf and Pirlo.

Probably they`ll play upfront with Inzaghi and Shevcenko.

Maldini is still doubtful cos of his broken nose.

Apart from that I think they should have full team.
So, Maldini still doubtful...more chances of making it, or a small chance of making it??

For the rest a full team...I guess it means that Rui Costa is fit again..(?) [/b][/quote]
About Maldini, they say he's unlikely to play, but it might be pre-tactic so don'r count on it.

Rui Costa should play but well you never know.

Gattuso isn't a really great midfielder, he's just a fighter ;) Amborsini will take his place, and in my eyes he's better than Gattuso. [/b][/quote]
I think both Maldini and Rui Costa will play.. :(

About Gattuso: He might not be as good as the other Milan players, but every team needs a player that does the dirty work. I think in this Milan team, that guy is Gattuso, so it could be usefull that he isn't there...

[Zizou]

Amborisini does that dirty work too, but he's not as aggressive as Gattuso.

Another good news for Ajax is that Serginho is doubtful. Now there's a player that is too important for Milan to lose.

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Milan strive for top billing
Tuesday, 22 April 2003
By Marcus Christenson

Despite losing half the midfield which was instrumental in AC Milan leaving AFC Ajax's Amsterdam Arena with a 0-0 draw in the first leg of their UEFA Champions League quarter-final a fortnight ago, coach Carlo Ancelotti remains confident that the Rossoneri will be the team celebrating at San Siro on Wednesday night.

'Among the best'
"I know it will be a difficult game but we hope and think that we are good enough to be among the best four in Europe," said Ancelotti, who will be missing the energy of both the suspended Gennaro Gattuso and Clarence Seedorf. The Dutchman's season was ended by a 26th-minute challenge by Ajax defender Hatem Trabelsi in the first leg.

Pirlo out
The loss of Seedorf, bidding to become the first player to win the Champions League with three clubs, will be even more keenly felt as Andrea Pirlo has also been ruled out for the campaign with a knee injury. Ancelotti added: "We have lost some important players over the past few weeks but there are others who are ready to step in and take responsibility."

Serginho injured
The most likely midfield deputies are Fernando Redondo and Cristian Brocchi, while Massimo Ambrosini and Rui Costa will retain their places. Brazilian winger Serginho was taken out of the reckoning after failing to recover from an ankle injury suffered in Saturday's shock 1-0 loss to Empoli in Serie A.

'More focused'
A first home defeat of the season may have dented morale, but Ancelotti hopes the reverse will instead provide a psychological boost. "The game against Empoli is a closed chapter for us and I don't think it will have an influence on Wednesday's match," he said. "And if it has, I think it will be a positive response and that we will be even more focused and determined to win and go through."

'We are ready'
Milan have now won just two of their last ten games, prompting Ancelotti to summon his players to their Milanello training retreat 24 hours ahead of schedule. He denied it was an act of "punishment", preferring to concentrate on the positives. "Those two wins came against Juventus [FC] and Internazionale [FC] - two of the best teams in Europe. Wednesday is another big one and we are ready."

We have done fantastically well to get here while it is different for Milan

Ronald Koeman


'Pressure on Milan'
Ajax are also set for action, coach Ronald Koeman saying: "We have young players who like to attack and like to score and if we score I think we will have a good chance of reaching the semi-finals. We have done fantastically well to get here while it is different for Milan. I think they are the better team with more experience - but they also have more pressure on them."

Guessing game
Like his opposite number, Koeman will have to shuffle his pack. Talented forward Rafael van der Vaart is doubtful with concussion and midfield player Tomáš Galásek is troubled by a knee injury, while Maxwell is another doubt. Andy van der Meyde, who missed the first leg through suspension, could return to partner Zlatan Ibrahimovic - though each coach will keep the other guessing to the last.

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Opposites attract at San Siro
Tuesday, 22 April 2003
By Richard Whittle

Although AC Milan and AFC Ajax have always been associated with excellence in Europe, there has been a remarkable contrast between the clubs whenever they have met.

Recurring theme
Milan, the wealthy aristocrats of Italian football, assembled against down-to-earth homegrown talent from the streets of Amsterdam, has been a recurring theme since their first encounter in the 1969 European Champion Clubs' Cup final.

Stellar cast
In a match played at Real Madrid CF's Santiago Bernabéu stadium, each side performed their role perfectly. Milan, who had won the competition in 1963, were graced with European Footballer of the Year Gianni Rivera, current Italy coach Giovanni Trapattoni, and goalkeeper Fabio Cudicini, father of Chelsea FC custodian Carlo.

Total football
It was little wonder they ran out 4-1 winners. Striker Pierino Prati hit a hat-trick, opening the scoring after just seven minutes before adding a second ahead of half-time. At just 22, however, Johan Cruyff gave an early indication of the skill and determination that would change the face of football in the following decade. Indeed, Ajax would lift the trophy three years in a row - between 1971 and 1973 – in addition to introducing the world to 'total football'.

Milan hold sway
Yet it was Cruyff's captain, the late Velibor Vasovic, whose penalty briefly brought Ajax back into the game. Not to be outdone, Rivera raised the tempo once again and Angelo Sormani restored the two-goal advantage seven minutes later, leaving Prati to complete proceedings on 75 minutes.

Household names
By the time of their next meeting, in the 1974 UEFA Super Cup, Cruyff had left for FC Barcelona but the likes of Piet Keizer, Johan Neeskens, Johnny Rep, Gerrie Muhren and Arie Haan had become household names. After a 1-0 defeat at the San Siro the Dutch turned on a masterclass at home, winning 6-0.

Last waltz
That joie de vivre was evident again in the 1995 UEFA Champions League final as the teams lined up in Vienna for what was to be the last waltz for a great Milan side and also marked the last time a small, less wealthy club would capture the continent's biggest prize.

Youthful complexion
Ajax had already defeated the Italian side in their two group engagements that season, but the final was a different matter. After all, Milan had been crowned champions on three occasions since 1989. The likes of Franco Baresi, Paolo Maldini and Alessandro Costacurta were all in their lineup, while their opponents more closely resembled a youth team, joking and playing tricks with the ball prior to the start.

The Ajax way
However, these kids had grown up together through the famous Ajax academy and were schooled in the unmistakable Dutch style. Twins Ronald and Frank de Boer were joined by neighbourhood friends Edgar Davids, Patrick Kluivert, Clarence Seedorf and Michael Reiziger. Marc Overmars, Edwin van der Sar, Finidi George, Nwankwo Kanu and Jari Litmanen were also part of a squad developed by coach Louis van Gaal.

Incredible achievement
The 18-year-old Kluivert scored the only goal of the game deep in the second half to cap an incredible achievement. However, reality soon kicked in as the new Bosman ruling enabled the likes of Milan, Barcelona, Internazionale FC et al to dismantle one of the most exciting sides of the modern era.

Current crop
Another triumph in the elegant surroundings of Milan on Wednesday could herald another exodus of Ajax starlets, although coach Ronald Koeman believes many will stay on to complete their education at the Amsterdam Arena.

[TedNolan]

I hope Ajax win. I have respect for team who developp good youngsters. I'd be great to see them win.

[Excelsior]

I really, really hope Milan will win, Ajax doesn't deserve it, specially their fans don't deserve it!

FORZA MILAN!!!!! :clap :clap :clap

[soccerchic]

come on ajax, kick ac milan out, PLEASEEEEEEEEEE :clap
go the underdog, prove the underdog can go all the way (like my poor barca couldn't :crying )
ajax deserves it coz koeman deserves it :bowing

[Excelsior]

WHAT??? You promised me to support AC Milan for once. :censored

[pantoffel]

Originally posted by soccerchic@Apr 23 2003, 10:18 AM
come on ajax, kick ac milan out, PLEASEEEEEEEEEE :clap
go the underdog, prove the underdog can go all the way (like my poor barca couldn't :crying )
ajax deserves it coz koeman deserves it :bowing
Tssss are you mad MILAN MILAN MILAN MILAN :bowing :bowing :bowing :bowing

[footie_master]

now i can say hail to the masters (thats ajax ofcourse), but i wont do that :rolleyes: .

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Excelsior@Apr 23 2003, 08:52 AM
I really, really hope Milan will win, Ajax doesn't deserve it, specially their fans don't deserve it!

FORZA MILAN!!!!! :clap :clap :clap
:laugh :laugh :laugh

frustrated, frustrated, frustrated...... :laugh :salute

[kharbana]

Hello friends, well i think today will be hard for Milan...Ajax has a good team very fast players, milan have to defense very well, and if Maldini will be out or not good uhm will be bad for them...

Bye ;)

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by kharbana@Apr 23 2003, 03:33 PM
Hello friends, well i think today will be hard for Milan...
Let's hope it will be too hard for Milan.. ;) :USA_Blue's_Smiley :USA_Blue's_Smiley

BTW: Welcome on the forum, hope you'll stick around....Zizou will like it, another Juve fan... ;)

[soccerchic]

Originally posted by Excelsior@Apr 23 2003, 09:20 PM
WHAT??? You promised me to support AC Milan for once. :censored
i tried to, but i can't! ac milan have rivaldo, he belongs with BARCA!! i'm jealous!! i can't cheer for them!! i've tried, but i just can't! :censored

[kharbana]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 23 2003, 01:38 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 23 2003, 01:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--kharbana@Apr 23 2003, 03:33 PM
Hello friends, well i think today will be hard for Milan...
Let's hope it will be too hard for Milan.. ;) :USA_Blue's_Smiley :USA_Blue's_Smiley

BTW: Welcome on the forum, hope you'll stick around....Zizou will like it, another Juve fan... ;) [/b][/quote]
Thank's dear for the welcome to the forum...
One of my best friend it's from Ajax yesterday he support Juve so today i'm support Ajax for him, but i feel too deep that Ajax can make a good thing today with milan....Good Luck

:bowing

[soccerchic]

welcome mate! :clap we need more females around here :USA_Blue's_Smiley hope you stick around

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Rafael van der Vaart won't be playing tonight..:( :( :(

The risks are too big, he didn't recover enough from his concussion, if he got hit on his head, he might be out for the rest of the year, so AJAX doesn't want to take the risk......

Probably a wise choice...but we'll surely miss him tonight....:(

[soccerchic]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 12:12 AM
he might be out for the rest of the year
holy s***! that's a bloody long time!! :o :o

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by soccerchic+Apr 23 2003, 04:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (soccerchic @ Apr 23 2003, 04:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 12:12 AM
he might be out for the rest of the year
holy s***! that's a bloody long time!! :o :o [/b][/quote]
well, it's long but with year I meant this season, not till January 2004 of course..;)

But, it would still be too long, too long to risk, that's why there's chosen not to play with him.... there's always a risk he can get hit at his head...

[soccerchic]

Ajax's Andy van der Meyde has revealed that a move to Inter would appeal.

He said: "I've talked to Aaron Winter who was there in the 1990s and he's spoken well of the club.

"With Christian Vieri at the near post and Hernan Crespo at the far post I should be able to put in some decent crosses," the 23-year-old then quipped.

"Ajax are aware that I would accept a move to Italy and all that is needed is a phone call to start proceedings off."

well what's this all about eh? :o wrong milan team the media are bulls***ting about ;)

[Zizou]

I heard that transfer rumour. Poor guy doesn't know what he's going into if he joins Inter :laugh

[Van Der Vaart 23]

The Italian League wouldn't suit VDM at all, he would be very stupid if he went there... :devil

If he leaves AJAX, he should go to the PL, he would suit the PL, but definitely not the Italian league, would be a big mistake I think...

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Line ups:

Milan:

------------------------ Dida -------------------------
Simic ----- Nesta --- Maldini ---- Costacurta

Kaladze --- Ambrosini -- Rui Costa ---- Brocchi

---------- Shevchenko ----- Inzaghi -------------

AJAX:

--------------------- Lobont -------------------
Trabelsi -- Pasanen -- Chivu -- v.Damme
--------------------- Yakubu ------------------
Pienaar ---------- Sneijder -------- O'Brien
---------- Zlatan ------ van der Meijde ----



Come on AJAX!!!

Damn, it's going to be difficult to score, we can replace VDV's playing ability, Pienaar isn't much less than VDV, but only Raffie's scoring ability is very hard to replace. Pienaar hardly ever scores. The only one I see scoring is Zlatan, v/d Meijde and Sneijder have some scoring ability too....... our biggest hope is on the bench I think.... Jari Litmanen

[Van Der Vaart 23]

F U C K :angry: :angry: :angry:

Now it's going to be very difficult...:(

[Excelsior]

YES!!! 1-0 :bowing

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Ah well, good match, a much more open match than the one in Amsterdam. At first it looked like Inter was playing, instead of AC. Milan was letting AJAX come and were waiting for the counter. But after 15 minutes that changed, Milan played normally and it became a good match, going from side to side. Milan had the best of the chances. The goal was a bit lucky, cause of the reflected cross. I don't know of the other one was a goal, what I do know is, that it was a damn great save... I don't know if that ball was COMPLETELY over the line...but what matters is that it doesn't count..

Both teams are playing very good.... let's hope AJAX can somehow score a goal without conceding one... :USA_Blue's_Smiley :USA_Blue's_Smiley :USA_Blue's_Smiley :USA_Blue's_Smiley :USA_Blue's_Smiley

[Van Der Vaart 23]

JARI JARI JARI JARI JARI JARI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!x

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Ah well, it was fun as long as it lasted... :o

[Van Der Vaart 23]

2-2 Pienaar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's hope this lasts a longer time, preferably to the end.. :USA_Blue's_Smiley :USA_Blue's_Smiley

[Van Der Vaart 23]

We didn't deserve to lose like this.... :crying :crying :crying

[footie_master]

This unbelievable, cant believe it. It just plain sucks, milan didnt even desrve the win. But cheers for the team effort, it was good of them to get this far.

[soccerchic]

DAMN IT!!!! :angry: :crying AC BLOODY MILAN! i hate 90th minute goals! they're not bloody fair!! :angry: :angry:
but that shot from an ac milan player (ermmm who was it?) i think it went past the line, but still a great save anyway. and what's with that milan player's attitutde, the one named brocci or something, pushing pienaar like that. and what was that fight (at the end) between nesta and zlatan bout??
oh well, getting this far was more than eeryone expected, at least you got the bloody CL next season, unlike us :crying :banghead :censored

[Jere Markus]

great display by Ajax :clap :clap

too bad the ref had to give that extra time (see:ManU) for the favourites to score the needed goal. It would´ve been great to see Ajax in top4.

Litmanen, once again proving why he´s one of the best CL players ever. Wonder why Pool is not in the CL, but Ajax is? Koeman knows a good player when he sees one.

[Smeagol]

DAmn Damn, Can someone just shoot Inzaghi! I really can't stand this F****R, :censored
What a cruel world it is....

at least you got the bloody CL next season, unlike us

That's not even sure...

[Zizou]

The ref only gave 3 minutes injury time, which when you consider it, it's less than he should. They`re supposed to give 30secs injury time for each subsititution so that makes 6 x 30s = 3mins + there were some minor injuries which could have added a minute or 2 more.

I think Nesta was right in being angry, as his face was cut with that elbow (not on purpose) so his reaction wasn't a surprise.

I rather have the top 4 as they are, cos that means there are 3 italian teams, though hopefully Inter will be eliminated :salute

[Excelsior]

This is just great! I really enjoyed watching this, all those really dissapointed Ajaxfans and -players! Ajax got what they deserved, a last minute loss. :laugh :laugh :devil

MILAN THANK YOU!!!!!

:party :party

[Smeagol]

LANDVERRADER :salute

[soccerbest]

Poor Ajax, thought they had gone through at 2-2, then that killer goal in injury time, by Inzaghi or Tomasson whatever after the match saw a scuffle between the 2 sides and Nesta was in a bloody mess.

[Novio]

ajax may not complain about a unlucky defeat. They had enough luck in the first 2 rounds themselve... At least the jews can concentrate on the league now so they can secure the 2nd place before Feyenoord and then we have a bigger chance of getting in Europe..

[pyrtas]

aaaaaaaargh!!!

I hate Inzaghi a nd that is why I supported Ajax in that game. AAAArgh!!!!

3 Italian teams in the semis where 2 of them play football not worth watching. - boring Milan teams!!

I have to say that I respect Ajax from now on.

[Zizou]

Only Inter play boring football all year long. Don't forget at the start of the season, everyone was praising Milan for their style.

[Novio]

Originally posted by Smeagol@Apr 24 2003, 09:01 AM
LANDVERRADER :salute
Ajax isn't a Dutch club. :salute ;)

[Excelsior]

No, Ajax plays attractive football in the CL this season. :rolleyes:

[pyrtas]

I didn`t say that Ajax play attractive football. But have to say that much more attractive than Milan and Inter. And I didn`t praise Milan for their style - more for their effectiveness.
Still don`t like it that 3 Italian teams got into the semis. Doesn`t sound like good games... eee. Maybe Real - Juve will be.

[Smeagol]

Originally posted by Novio+Apr 24 2003, 09:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 24 2003, 09:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Smeagol@Apr 24 2003, 09:01 AM
LANDVERRADER&nbsp; :salute
Ajax isn't a Dutch club. :salute ;) [/b][/quote]
LANDVERRADERS :salute :salute ;)

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Novio@Apr 24 2003, 11:12 AM
ajax may not complain about a unlucky defeat. They had enough luck in the first 2 rounds themselve...
:laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh :laugh

Jealousy, jealousy, jealousy.... :laugh :laugh :laugh

Dude, you and all the anti-AJAX people, get over the fact that AJAX is, and will always be the only Dutch club that has the possibility of coming far in the CL, and maybe of winning it! Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT!!!!

Well, I'm very proud of this AJAX, once again we came far with a young team, surprising Europe. We competed very well against every opponent we had, and some of the opponents we had are considered to be among the very best on the planet. The only match we couldn't compete with the opponent was against Valencia, in Mestalla, the first match of the 2nd Round, no one knew what was coming to them, in that match, we were lucky to get a draw. In all the other matches, we competed with all our opponents, or should I say, the opponents competed with us.. :) , just joking..;) No team could show us every corner of the pitch, no matter what team played us, none was able to do that... Even though everybody thought we wouldn't, we were competative, we were a very good competion, for some teams even too much of a competion..:) Against Milan we played terrific, excellent, Milan had 3 lucky goals, 2 assists were reflected and the winner came cause Chivu slipped, a very great pity we lost like that, we didn't deserve to lose like that...:(

But we'll be back, if not next year, the year after or any year..doesn't matter! WE WILL BE BACK!!

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AJAX, WE'RE PROUD OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:clap :bowing :clap :bowing :clap :bowing :clap :bowing :clap :bowing :king

[Novio]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 02:31 PM

Dude, you and all the anti-AJAX people, [b]get over the fact that AJAX is, and will always be the only Dutch club that has the possibility of coming far in the CL, and maybe of winning it! Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT


Read here the reason why most people hate the people who "support" ajax!

Bloody arrogant they are!

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Novio+Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 02:31 PM

Dude, you and all the anti-AJAX people, get over the fact that AJAX is, and will always be the only Dutch club that has the possibility of coming far in the CL, and maybe of winning it! Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT


Read here the reason why most people hate the people who "support" ajax!

Bloody arrogant they are! [/quote]
Arrogant for saying the truth.... :rolleyes:

[Smeagol]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Novio+Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 02:31 PM

Dude, you and all the anti-AJAX people, get over the fact that AJAX is, and will always be the only Dutch club that has the possibility of coming far in the CL, and maybe of winning it! Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT


Read here the reason why most people hate the people who "support" ajax!

Bloody arrogant they are! [/quote]
Arrogant for saying the truth.... :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT

Although I like Ajax, who is going to be champion this year, ahum :nono . So don't say no club is ever going to equal Ajax...

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Smeagol+Apr 24 2003, 04:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Smeagol @ Apr 24 2003, 04:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Novio+Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 02:31 PM

Dude, you and all the anti-AJAX people, get over the fact that AJAX is, and will always be the only Dutch club that has the possibility of coming far in the CL, and maybe of winning it! Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT


Read here the reason why most people hate the people who "support" ajax!

Bloody arrogant they are! [/quote]
Arrogant for saying the truth.... :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT

Although I like Ajax, who is going to be champion this year, ahum :nono . So don't say no club is ever going to equal Ajax... [/b][/quote]
I meant AJAX's european performances.... and btw psv have a long time to go to equal our 28 championship titles..;)

[Novio]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 03:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Smeagol+Apr 24 2003, 04:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Smeagol @ Apr 24 2003, 04:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Novio+Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 02:31 PM

Dude, you and all the anti-AJAX people, get over the fact that AJAX is, and will always be the only Dutch club that has the possibility of coming far in the CL, and maybe of winning it! Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT


Read here the reason why most people hate the people who "support" ajax!

Bloody arrogant they are! [/quote]
Arrogant for saying the truth.... :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT

Although I like Ajax, who is going to be champion this year, ahum :nono . So don't say no club is ever going to equal Ajax... [/b][/quote]
I meant AJAX's european performances.... and btw psv have a long time to go to equal our 28 championship titles..;) [/b][/quote]
Gloryhunter...

Achievements of the past are no garanty for the future..

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Novio+Apr 24 2003, 05:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 24 2003, 05:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 03:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Smeagol+Apr 24 2003, 04:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Smeagol @ Apr 24 2003, 04:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Novio+Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 02:31 PM

Dude, you and all the anti-AJAX people, get over the fact that AJAX is, and will always be the only Dutch club that has the possibility of coming far in the CL, and maybe of winning it! Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT


Read here the reason why most people hate the people who "support" ajax!

Bloody arrogant they are! [/quote]
Arrogant for saying the truth.... :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT

Although I like Ajax, who is going to be champion this year, ahum :nono . So don't say no club is ever going to equal Ajax... [/b][/quote]
I meant AJAX's european performances.... and btw psv have a long time to go to equal our 28 championship titles..;) [/b][/quote]
Gloryhunter...

Achievements of the past are no garanty for the future.. [/b][/quote]
"gloryhunter"

Is that all you can say?? ¢unt!

Yeah, indeed, achievements of the past are no guarantee for the future, but history is something to be proud of!!! :USA_Blue's_Smiley

but of course, you wouldn't know..

[Novio]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 04:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 04:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Novio+Apr 24 2003, 05:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 24 2003, 05:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 03:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Smeagol+Apr 24 2003, 04:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Smeagol @ Apr 24 2003, 04:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Novio+Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 02:31 PM

Dude, you and all the anti-AJAX people, get over the fact that AJAX is, and will always be the only Dutch club that has the possibility of coming far in the CL, and maybe of winning it! Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT


Read here the reason why most people hate the people who "support" ajax!

Bloody arrogant they are! [/quote]
Arrogant for saying the truth.... :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT

Although I like Ajax, who is going to be champion this year, ahum :nono . So don't say no club is ever going to equal Ajax... [/b][/quote]
I meant AJAX's european performances.... and btw psv have a long time to go to equal our 28 championship titles..;) [/b][/quote]
Gloryhunter...

Achievements of the past are no garanty for the future.. [/b][/quote]
"gloryhunter"

Is that all you can say?? ¢unt!

Yeah, indeed, achievements of the past are no guarantee for the future, but history is something to be proud of!!! :USA_Blue's_Smiley

but of course, you wouldn't know.. [/b][/quote]
YOU are only proud of your club because of there achievements. You don't give a thing of the club itself.. :salute

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Novio+Apr 24 2003, 06:56 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 24 2003, 06:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 04:36 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 04:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Novio+Apr 24 2003, 05:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 24 2003, 05:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 03:27 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Smeagol+Apr 24 2003, 04:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Smeagol @ Apr 24 2003, 04:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 01:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 01:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Novio+Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Novio @ Apr 24 2003, 03:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 02:31 PM

Dude, you and all the anti-AJAX people, get over the fact that AJAX is, and will always be the only Dutch club that has the possibility of coming far in the CL, and maybe of winning it! Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT


Read here the reason why most people hate the people who "support" ajax!

Bloody arrogant they are! [/quote]
Arrogant for saying the truth.... :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
Your club, and every other Dutch club won't ever be able to equal AJAX! We're the greatest Dutch club ever, and forever! GET OVER IT

Although I like Ajax, who is going to be champion this year, ahum :nono . So don't say no club is ever going to equal Ajax... [/b][/quote]
I meant AJAX's european performances.... and btw psv have a long time to go to equal our 28 championship titles..;) [/b][/quote]
Gloryhunter...

Achievements of the past are no garanty for the future.. [/b][/quote]
"gloryhunter"

Is that all you can say?? ¢unt!

Yeah, indeed, achievements of the past are no guarantee for the future, but history is something to be proud of!!! :USA_Blue's_Smiley

but of course, you wouldn't know.. [/b][/quote]
YOU are only proud of your club because of there achievements. You don't give a thing of the club itself.. :salute [/b][/quote]
No, if I was only proud about achievements, I would be a Real Madrid supporter...;)

But why would I be proud of a club's achievements if I didn't give a fu¢k about the club... :huh:

I wouldn't if I didn't give a fu¢k...

[Tanghe the best]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 03:55 PM
Bloody arrogant they are!

Arrogant for saying the truth.... :rolleyes:
Haha you have been rambling on this board many times claming truths while in fact it was just laugheble mate...

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Tanghe the best+Apr 24 2003, 08:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tanghe the best @ Apr 24 2003, 08:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 03:55 PM
Bloody arrogant they are!

Arrogant for saying the truth.... :rolleyes:
Haha you have been rambling on this board many times claming truths while in fact it was just laugheble mate... [/b][/quote]
I guess you're having a hard time accepting the truth...

[Tanghe the best]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 09:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Tanghe the best+Apr 24 2003, 08:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tanghe the best @ Apr 24 2003, 08:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 03:55 PM
Bloody arrogant they are!

Arrogant for saying the truth.... :rolleyes:
Haha you have been rambling on this board many times claming truths while in fact it was just laugheble mate... [/b][/quote]
I guess you're having a hard time accepting the truth... [/b][/quote]
i just remeber you rambling over how we Utrecht fans are. Liek you know better than me myself how I am...

silly boy, one day you will get there maybe but just first follow your team for some years and then come back again kiddo...

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Tanghe the best+Apr 24 2003, 09:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tanghe the best @ Apr 24 2003, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 24 2003, 09:04 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 24 2003, 09:04 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Tanghe the best+Apr 24 2003, 08:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tanghe the best @ Apr 24 2003, 08:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 03:55 PM
Bloody arrogant they are!

Arrogant for saying the truth.... :rolleyes:
Haha you have been rambling on this board many times claming truths while in fact it was just laugheble mate... [/b][/quote]
I guess you're having a hard time accepting the truth... [/b][/quote]
i just remeber you rambling over how we Utrecht fans are. ... [/b][/quote]
Like I don't know..... I live in the city of those silly fans, so don't come and tell me I don't know how they (in general) are...

[Tanghe the best]

quote from you, you rambling to think how it all is...

You know what's really stupid here in Holland, ¢unts like him aren't able to separate football from politics. Many Utrecht and feyenoord fans choose the side of the palastinians cause there's a group of AJAX fans(which they hate) that call themselves jews. Cause they hate AJAX fans, they start hating jews..&nbsp;

[Tanghe the best]

Another quote from you beeing so far from the truth. again you think to know more about FC Utrecht than I as FC Utrecht supporter do... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Paisley@Mar 31 2003, 11:43 PM
I've always thought that Utrecht have hardcore hooligans.&nbsp; Not 'wannabes' at all.&nbsp; Remember in a lot of cases it is lower level teams that have the naughtiest firms.
They definitely don't have hardcore hooligans, well maybe 10(:laugh). It's better for them, it only gives you a bad name, but as I said, those stupid kids think they get respect if they are called hooligans. So they want to be hooligans (wannabe hooligans... ;) )..

[Tanghe the best]

Ohh again a good example of you thinking to know better about my team than I as FC utrecht supporter who went to both Legia-FC Utrecht and FC Utrecht-Legia and knew far better than you all the history(night before, at the matchdays in the citycentre, the Legia-Ado connecton etc) about this game.

Originally posted by Tanghe the best+Apr 1 2003, 03:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tanghe the best @ Apr 1 2003, 03:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 1 2003, 01:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 1 2003, 01:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Tanghe the best+Apr 1 2003, 12:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Tanghe the best @ Apr 1 2003, 12:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Mar 31 2003, 10:18 PM
Soccerchic, the whole Jews thing was started by Utrecht fans, not by the AJAX fans..
And the wannabe hooligans here in Holland are the utrecht fans, and no one else! They always want to fight AJAX, so they're known too. Only the AJAX fans don't give a fu¢k about them, they're just little flies..
Wanabee hooligans/Utrecht fans are even more stupid than "real" hooligans(in Holland AJAX, Ado en feyenoord hooligans). Hooligans are a$$holes and those stupid Utrecht fans want to be part of those a$$holes, they think they get respect if they're hooligans... :rolleyes: :nono
:laugh :laugh :laugh


You really think you know how we are.....


:laugh :laugh :laugh
You're a wannabee hooligan too, aren't you, little fly.. :ph34r:

Get scared of 50 Ado fans, fu¢kin you up in your own stadium, a$$hole :laugh [/b][/quote]
and Again you show that you think how it is.... :nono :nono :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
At least, what I think is right, unlike the things you think! :salute :salute :salute[/b][/quote]

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Facts of things I said

- The whole Jew thing began with Utrecht fans..
- Utrecht hooligans aren't recognised Hooligans, no one fears them, like they fear Ado, AJAX and feyenoord hooligans, you don't get feared by singing "Hamas, Hamas Jews to the gas". It's only pathetic too sing that.... but you probably think it's funny..
- Hooligans are a$$holes...
- With the start of the Jew thing and the Israelian flag in the AJAX stadium, there suddenly are palistinian flags in other stadiums... before there weren't. So people choose the palistinian side cause of AJAX, don't try to fool me by saying it aint political, those flags..

Oh yeah, another fact:

- I'm right! ;)

[The Utrecht West Ham Connection]

Oh VDV you can't be more wrong, if you don't know what you're talking about, read this very very carefully, so you don't have to get back on this ever more.

Feyenoord started to call Ajax yids, much to the dislike of their fans, after a while the had the idea of changing it around and being proud of that name, until this day.

I wonder how much you know about hooligans, maybe it's a good one for you to read the new book written by Dougie Brimson, Eurotrash, in which he writes about hooliganism in Holland, as stated in that book, in the 80's the Bunnik Side was the most feard mob in Holland. Feyenoord and Ajax had the numbers but Utrecht could match them, because they had lots of mentals, we're like Cardiff or West Ham, small clubs with lots of mentals.
Nowadays, Utrecht are still amongst the most feared in Holland, Feyenoord and Ajax are well on top, but Utrecht can rise to the occasion and take them on, the hooligan movement in Utrecht and getting bigger and bigger. Of course you learn by making mistakes, like a few weeks ago when Utrecht were outnumbered against Ajax. But our number are beginning to swell. Why were there 150 lads that went right to the away stand of PSV when everyone was coming on to the pitch, unfortunately they didn't get on to the pitch, otherwise we could have shown who's best of the rest.
I wonder if you came across our mob, what you would do, running would be the best option, you can borrow my "de Harde Kern" video or other tapes which show we are amongst the most hardest hooligans of Holland.

Hooligans could be arseholes in your view, but there also amongst the most loyal supporters of a club. Everywhere the club go, they go. How low they might go, they will keep going to the games. They're the most fanatic and sometimes they take it a little bit further.

Also on the Isreal - Palestina thing, I'll explain on and other.
As Ajax was founded bij Jews and always had Jews on their board, the Feyenoord mob started to nickname Ajaxsupporters yids or Jews, whatever you like in English. At first the Ajax support of whom many many didn't had a Jewish, or any relicious, background, were quite upset by this thing and did everything not to be called like that, as other mobs adopted the nickname for their rivals as well, the Ajax supporter caught the idea that to adopt the name themselves so it wasn't one which took the p*** out of them anymore. So they did, and as they did, they did it with style, using the David's cross which is also in the official flag of Israel, on the symbol of their mob, a David's cross with an F in it, referring to the F-Side. Soon the David's cross was used on lots of banner and graffity. Following that soon the Israeli flags came on to the terraces.
As all supporters might know if your main rival says left you go right, if he says pro, you say anti, and so on.
So as Ajax started bringing Israeli flags in to the ground, their rivals were looking for something with what they could get back at them. It's easy to look at Irael and see their main rivals are Palestina and Adolf Hitler. In the old days, songs like:
Adolf was a Utrecht fan
Adolf here are walking another 11
Anne Frank, was mudered in the stands at Feyenoord
Lots of banners of the German cross, you'll know which one I mean were brought onto the stand, this happened a few years until this was banned.
Then the Palastinian thing became noticed, and as flags aren't banned from ground, the Palestinian flag made his entrance in to the stands. 'Cos, I already explained, if Ajax are Isreal we are Palestina. With this there came the songs:
Arafat is Utrecht fan
Hezbollah por Favor
Hamas, Hamas all yids on gas
All purely directed to the Ajax supporters and absolutely nothing to do with the conflict in the Middle East.
We don't care about that conflict, don't care who wins as well, f*** it, it's purely football.
Why it got to politics is because the mayor of Amsterdam took at as anti-semitism. I don't know how this works in other countries but here in Holland, you can call every religion or community group names, except Jews. Their community is always on their toes and explain everything as anti semitism.
We arrived on the train platform, and welcomed by Ajax fans, calling Cancer Utrecht to us, which is abuse as well, we replied was the Hamas song, with all things that happened after that well known.

You're saying we chose the Palestinian side because Ajax supporters call themselves Yids? Yes we do, but not the political side, we're just looking for somthing which is completely the opposite. But is it politics when we do it and not when Ajax fans do it?

If Ajax fans call themselve Pepsi, we'll call ourselves Coca-Cola, If Ajax fans call themselves Heroine, we call ourselves Cocaine. You know what I mean. If Ajax were Fila, we start wearing Nike. And so on, and so on.

How do I know all this, you might ask. I've been involved in lots of punch ups, and if you want you can call me a hooligan. I read a lot, around 35 books up till now, on hooliganism, speak about a lot with fans of other clubs and I've got my sources. So skip you're last line saying, I'm right, because you ain't, maybe it's time you me, would meet up, I'll explain it plain and simple to you, I'll even pay your drinks.

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by The Utrecht West Ham Connection@Apr 25 2003, 11:58 AM
Hooligans could be arseholes in your view, but there also amongst the most loyal supporters of a club. Everywhere the club go, they go. How low they might go, they will keep going to the games. They're the most fanatic and sometimes they take it a little bit further.

Yeah might be right, they follow the club everywhere, but they give their club a bad name too, and what's the use in fighting people who don't support your club?? It has no use..

And don't you think songs referring to the war, go to far??? The Hamas song, the ones with Hitler in it...they just go to far! AJAX's song "rotterdam klote stad, in de oorlog lag je plat" also goes a little too far...

And please, saying that everyone can be called names, but Jews, is TOTAL bull$hit, you know that quite good yourself! You and I both know that Jews are getting offended on every corner of the street, and NO ONE does anything about it..

[The Utrecht West Ham Connection]

If someone says bad things about my team, to me they are the enemy, if I say things about your girlfriend which are not quite nice, you want to get at me don't you? For me it's the same with football, the teams I love them, if someone says things about them I don't like, he could be in for a good hiding. I can take it though, to some amount, but being in a ground, or on my way to it, don't do it.

Oh yes it goes to far, no doubt, but that's all in the game, you try to wind up the other teams supporter with whatever is possible.

Look the Jewish community in Holland, and I mean the real ones, not Ajax supporters, explain everything as antisemitism. For instance, if El Al (Isreal Aiways) aren't allowed to come to Schiphol anymore they'll say it's antisemitism.
Why call it antisemitism anyway and not just racism?
Everyone is abusing Turks and Marocs, why is this allowed then? The abuse they get is far worse then what Jewish people get.

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by The Utrecht West Ham Connection@Apr 25 2003, 02:19 PM
Everyone is abusing Turks and Marocs
:o :o :o

Not in Utrecht :nono :nono :nono

[Excelsior]

VdV just don't know anything about it. :nono

My political view about the political conflict between Israel and Palestina has absolutely nothing to do with Ajax-fans. I can seperate that very good, and I think most people can.
But somethin else, why is 'hamas, hamas...' worse than 'cancer Utrecht'? There is said 'hamas, hamas...' is a racist song and 'cancer Utrecht' isn't. Well, thats b*llsh*t, both songs are about supporters, not about Jews (or Utrechters) in general. And even if you say it's racist, then isn't one worse then another. With one song the Jewish people are discriminated and with the other song the people from Utrecht are discriminated. So then you are discriminating with BOTH songs if you look at it on that way. Is it worse to discriminate Jewish people then people from Utrecht? No, both are just as bad, people are discriminated for what they are!

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 25 2003, 02:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 25 2003, 02:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--The Utrecht West Ham Connection@Apr 25 2003, 02:19 PM
Everyone is abusing Turks and Marocs
:o :o :o

Not in Utrecht :nono :nono :nono [/b][/quote]
No, there isn't anybody in Utrecht who discriminates Morocs and Turks... :rolleyes:

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Excelsior+Apr 25 2003, 03:18 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Excelsior @ Apr 25 2003, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 25 2003, 02:08 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 25 2003, 02:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--The Utrecht West Ham Connection@Apr 25 2003, 02:19 PM
Everyone is abusing Turks and Marocs
:o :o :o

Not in Utrecht :nono :nono :nono [/b][/quote]
No, there isn't anybody in Utrecht who discriminates Morocs and Turks... :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
He said everybody is abusing marocs and turks, with everybody he means people in general are abusing marocs and turks, well in Utrecht that's definitely not the case..... I think it's the other way around to be honest... don't say I don't know anything, cause I know better than anyone of you will ever. I you lived in Kanaleneiland you would know..:rolleyes:

But somethin else, why is 'hamas, hamas...' worse than 'cancer Utrecht'

PLEASE, if you can't see the difference in that... :rolleyes: :nono

I thought you wanted to be taken seriously, well if you really are unable to see the difference in that, I don't think you can be taken seriously.. :rolleyes: :devil

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 25 2003, 02:54 PM
But somethin else, why is 'hamas, hamas...' worse than 'cancer Utrecht'

PLEASE, if you can't see the difference in that... :rolleyes: :nono

I thought you wanted to be taken seriously, well if you really are unable to see the difference in that, I don't think you can be taken seriously.. :rolleyes: :devil
If you'd just read my arguements and reply to that... :rolleyes:

[pantoffel]

Not in Utrecht????? Thats b**lsh*t, it happens also in Utrecht it happens everywhere and it's got his reasons but lets not get furder in to this

The FCU WHU connection is totally right his relpy is the truth, so again YOURE NOT RIGHT :salute

[Van Der Vaart 23]

Originally posted by Excelsior+Apr 25 2003, 03:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Excelsior @ Apr 25 2003, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 25 2003, 02:54 PM
But somethin else, why is 'hamas, hamas...' worse than 'cancer Utrecht'

PLEASE, if you can't see the difference in that... :rolleyes: :nono

I thought you wanted to be taken seriously, well if you really are unable to see the difference in that, I don't think you can be taken seriously.. :rolleyes: :devil
If you'd just read my arguements and reply to that... :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
cancer Utrecht, Cancer AJAX, Cancer Feyenoord, you hear that everywhere, on every corner of the street, calling someone cancer .....(whatever), isn't racism, unless you name a nationality or religion after it.. Let's say someone's name is Johnny, and someone says "cancer Johnny", would he discriminate all Johnny's than?? NO, THAT AINT RACISM!! That's just calling someone names, and you know it!

If you say, "hamas, hamas, jews to the gas", and you know the history of the war, the history of Jews with gas, it just goes too far, and you know it! It has a total different impact. And it's totally not comparable to just calling someone names!

[Novio]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 25 2003, 03:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 25 2003, 03:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Excelsior+Apr 25 2003, 03:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Excelsior @ Apr 25 2003, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 25 2003, 02:54 PM
But somethin else, why is 'hamas, hamas...' worse than 'cancer Utrecht'

PLEASE, if you can't see the difference in that... :rolleyes: :nono

I thought you wanted to be taken seriously, well if you really are unable to see the difference in that, I don't think you can be taken seriously.. :rolleyes: :devil
If you'd just read my arguements and reply to that... :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
cancer Utrecht, Cancer AJAX, Cancer Feyenoord, you hear that everywhere, on every corner of the street, calling someone cancer .....(whatever), isn't racism, unless you name a nationality or religion after it.. Let's say someone's name is Johnny, and someone says "cancer Johnny", would he discriminate all Johnny's than?? NO, THAT AINT RACISM!! That's just calling someone names, and you know it!

If you say, "hamas, hamas, jews to the gas", and you know the history of the war, the history of Jews with gas, it just goes too far, and you know it! It has a total different impact. And it's totally not comparable to just calling someone names! [/b][/quote]
Personally I think, the word c****r is a lot more offending then Jews or farmers or another kind of people..

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23+Apr 25 2003, 03:17 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Van Der Vaart 23 @ Apr 25 2003, 03:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Excelsior+Apr 25 2003, 03:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Excelsior @ Apr 25 2003, 03:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 25 2003, 02:54 PM
But somethin else, why is 'hamas, hamas...' worse than 'cancer Utrecht'

PLEASE, if you can't see the difference in that... :rolleyes: :nono

I thought you wanted to be taken seriously, well if you really are unable to see the difference in that, I don't think you can be taken seriously.. :rolleyes: :devil
If you'd just read my arguements and reply to that... :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
cancer Utrecht, Cancer AJAX, Cancer Feyenoord, you hear that everywhere, on every corner of the street, calling someone cancer .....(whatever), isn't racism, unless you name a nationality or religion after it.. Let's say someone's name is Johnny, and someone says "cancer Johnny", would he discriminate all Johnny's than?? NO, THAT AINT RACISM!! That's just calling someone names, and you know it!

If you say, "hamas, hamas, jews to the gas", and you know the history of the war, the history of Jews with gas, it just goes too far, and you know it! It has a total different impact. And it's totally not comparable to just calling someone names! [/b][/quote]
Many people use the word cancer, but does that mean it's normal? :rolleyes:
Wishing people get cancer is just as bad as wishing them 'on the gas'!

[Tanghe the best]

Facts of things I said

- The whole Jew thing began with Utrecht fans..
Nonsense, just look at what TUWHC wrote...

- Utrecht hooligans aren't recognised Hooligans, no one fears them, like they fear Ado, AJAX and feyenoord hooligans, you don't get feared by singing "Hamas, Hamas Jews to the gas". It's only pathetic too sing that.... but you probably think it's funny..

Nonsense.

I quote from Dougie Brimson's(writer of 9 books about hooligans) Eurotrashed too.

"Inevitably,some clubs were worse than others, but it is widely acknowledged that the most violent at that time where Bunnik-Side of Utrecht."

I remember reading an article at an Ajax site(www.das.nl?) about Utrecht saying 'we don't like to admit it but Utrecht was and is one of the hardest of Holland'

If I remember correctly FC Utrecht suppoters where even number 1 of the world at some time at an FIFA hooligan list.

fact: FC Utrecht during the late 70's and 80's where amongst the hardest mobs in Europe. And know FC Utrecht is still at the top in Holland.

I don't praise it, this is just the way it is(analyse).
- Hooligans are a$$holes...
I know very loyal ones who are there for there teams in good and bad times. They aren't all beast, most have good jobs, normal family's etc. It could just be your perfectly normal and friendly neighbour or collegue where you always have a laugh with at lunchtime...

- With the start of the Jew thing and the Israelian flag in the AJAX stadium, there suddenly are palistinian flags in other stadiums... before there weren't. So people choose the palistinian side cause of AJAX, don't try to fool me by saying it aint political, those flags..
Nonsense, I refer to TUWHC again. It's has nothing to do with politics it's just a reaction("action = reaction") to the ajax fans having Israeli flags.


Oh yeah, another fact:

- I'm right! ;)
No again your not. I and definatly the UWHC speak from first hand experience it the subjects above. When we got a seasonticket at the Bunnikside you were still playing with LEGO, when I(don't know about WHU/FCU) went to Ajax away you were just 12 year's old. You don't speak the truth, you speak your truth because your just a guy from 17 who thinks he knows it all. Can't blame you actually, one day you'll realise, but till that day you are just a rambling kid to me..

[Womble Til I Die]

Originally posted by Van Der Vaart 23@Apr 24 2003, 01:31 PM
THANK YOU VERY MUCH AJAX, WE'RE PROUD OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Can't be bothered to get into the 'religion'/hoolingan argument.

I'll just say.....

Thank you very much Jon Dahl Tomasson. A 91st minute winner. Even better that it came from an old-Feyenoord player

[soccerchic]

Everyone is abusing Turks and Marocs, why is this allowed then? The abuse they get is far worse then what Jewish people get.

so bloody true. every time someone says something against a jewish person, straight away it's "anti semitism" :rolleyes: :nono but they can abuse arabs and turks all they want and it's ok, it's not "anti-islam" yet when muslims say it's anti-islam, people accuse them of complaining all the time, and when a jew says "anti-semitism" no-one gives a f*** and listens to them (jews complain).

in my oppinion, flags should be banned from stadiums. israeli flags have absolutely nothing to do with ajax, 99% of those who hold them ain't even jewish or israeli, and none of their players are jewish (in fact, plenty of them are arabs and muslims!). or if not banned, they should only be allowed to hold flags of countries of their players, eg. ajax fans should only be allowed to have romanian, tunisian, american, etc. flags. why don't those ajax fans just hold HOLLAND flags?? whatever happened to national pride? last time i checked, amsterdam was in HOLLAND, not israel :rolleyes:
the only fans who should be allowed to hold israeli flags are man city fans (berkovic), galatasary (revivo), and whoever else has israelis in their club.

[Excelsior]

I'm not an hooligan at all, I also don't really like them. But 'hooligans' who just defend themselves and their club and never harm anybody who do normal against them I don't hate. But hooligans who just attack anybody who isn't supporting their team, I hate them! I got attacked twice last year while I was just walking to the ground, Haarlem-away (around 25 Excelsiorfans did nothing except going to the ground and we were attacked by around 50 Haarlemfans) and Sparta-home (was walking alone in Rotterdam and some Sparta-hoolies came to me). People who do such things are really cowards.

[Tanghe the best]

Originally posted by Excelsior@Apr 26 2003, 10:08 AM
I'm not an hooligan at all, I also don't really like them. But 'hooligans' who just defend themselves and their club and never harm anybody who do normal against them I don't hate. But hooligans who just attack anybody who isn't supporting their team, I hate them! I got attacked twice last year while I was just walking to the ground, Haarlem-away (around 25 Excelsiorfans did nothing except going to the ground and we were attacked by around 50 Haarlemfans) and Sparta-home (was walking alone in Rotterdam and some Sparta-hoolies came to me). People who do such things are really cowards.
Yeah but that's Sparta and expecially Haarlem(also Vitesse and AZ can you put in that line). Just some poor miserable people attacking scarfers :rolleyes:

You said it pritty fair, me too I don't hate them who stand up when there fellow supporters are being attacked. definatly not. Also when Hooligans just fight Hooligans it isn't much of a problem in my eyes. When you see the bloody police with loths of people present I think they can be of a better use somewhere else. I mean a collegue of my last phoned the police because he withnessed a burglarry(Kanaleneiland..) he dialed 112 got on hold for minutes and minutes and when he finally got tru they just said, 'well sorry whe haven't got a policecar ready, so we just can't do anything about it'

:nono

[footie_master]

i dont really care bout the hooligans as longs as they wont screw it up for the other people going to those matches. As far as i am concerned i hope they beat each other up, so people with kids and other supporters dont have any trouble from them.