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scorpion2a

Oct 3 2006, 04:38 PM

Hey guys,
I'd like you to tell me about the following players and wether they decided to play for Germany or for some other country. I know they were all raised, trained and developed in Germany but probably being a half German breed has it's backdraws.. cuz it gives the chance to another country that can come and claim the player for herself owing to his parents' origins. Perhaps the Bastuerk, & the Altintop brothers situations explain what I mean. And recently I'm confused about the affiliation of these players.

Michael Delura
Gonzalo Castro
Sebastian Tyrala
Mario Gomez
Marc André Kruska
Eugen Polanski
Halfar brothers
Aron Hunt
Mustafa Kucucovic

Schwalker

Oct 3 2006, 08:18 PM

Considering that youth games don´t count as "caps" anymore they are all up for grabs I think..

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 3 2006, 08:42 PM

Michael Delura -> always changes his opinion but it seems like he's capped according to FIFA rules because he's already 21 years old

Gonzalo Castro -> was part of the spanish U19, then changed to Germany and recently said that this was the right decision and that he won't play for Spain in the future. His biggest dream is to be nominated by Löw and play the EURO 08 for Germany

Sebastian Tyrala -> Tyrala plays for Germany's U19 this week in the Euro qualification. He could still switch to Poland's A-team but says that he doesn't need to make up his mind about it now. Tendency: Germany

Mario Gomez -> Gomez is capped (the 21-year old FIFA rule applies here). He's probably not good enough for Spain anyway.

Marc André Kruska -> huh? German, only Germann passport (therefore not eligibile for other country anyway), German parents? What makes you think that he has any connection a foreign country?

Eugen Polanski -> he was invited to Poland's A-team but refused and said that it's his biggest dream to play for Germany. Nuff said.

Halfar brothers -> They're German. No foreign connection.

Aron Hunt -> he declined Germany and England 2 years ago, saying that he needs time to make a decision. One year ago he decided to play for Germany and said that it's an ultimate decision.

Mustafa Kucucovic -> that's a weird story. Kucukovic played for Germany's U19 and U20, then gave a press conference in which he said that he wants to play for Bosnia. He was then part of the Bosnian U21 squad but didn't play due to an injury. A few weeks ago however he was also part of the German U20 squad again but also didn't play because of an injury. Weird.

scorpion2a

Oct 3 2006, 11:47 PM

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 4 2006, 12:11 AM

Hey Trochowsky.. thanks for the valuable info. But are U sure about all of it? Seems like all those players are likely to play for Germany. Hey, I think there will still be some losses.
As about Kruska.. his name sounded more Polish or Slavic than German. Besides, his vorname is also suspicious: Marc Andre'. Hmmm...
Germans usually go with Mark/Marco & Andreas.

Hunt, Gomez, Castro and Polanski made it clear several times that they will play for Germany in the future. Castro even sees his decision as one of his "best" decisions in his life (source: Kicker magazine).

Kucukovic will imo definitely play for Bosnia. But I don't consider him a big loss anyway. Delura would probably play for Poland but it seems like he isn't allowed to.

I'm still not sure about Sebastian Tyrala. He leaves the door open for Poland.

But Kruska is definitely a German. I know quite some people with the name Marc. That's nothing special. I'm a Dortmund fan so I'd know if he has any foreign connections. :drinkbeer

scorpion2a

Oct 4 2006, 12:43 AM

Coldplay

Oct 4 2006, 03:00 AM

I'd be sad if Delura goes for Poland. We don't have many strikers. Klose is getting older, Asamoah is no good, Hanke lacks the class level and Kiessling & Hunt aren't enough.
Looks like we'll have to rely on Nando Rafael (who I see as a mercinary rather than a national football player).

Delura isnt really a striker anyway. Delura is more of a winger and a Second top behind the striker. So is Tyrala

We are not running out of strikers.

Top class strikers we have Klose.
Hot prospects we have Podolski, Kiessling, Schlaudraff, Hunt who impresses all of us with his good form recently
Hanke, Gomez n Kuranyi all have the potential. Gomez and Hanke are types of strikers that we dont have for years. Strong physical, powerful, and decent finisher. Kuranyi is a question mark to me, but i can always remember what he could do in season 02/03, and The first ten matches after Klinsi has taken over the NT.

Up and coming new stars:
Manuel Fischer
Adil Chihi
Daniel Halfar
Felix Kroos (Toni's brother)

iowaplasticpaddy

Oct 4 2006, 03:01 AM

whats the rule? do you have to have atleast two grand-parents from germany or what?

Ahmad

Oct 4 2006, 04:35 AM

You boys missed out on Nuri Sahin.
He is not half german though so i dont know if it applies but the kid sure is talented.

khalid2006

Oct 4 2006, 11:13 AM

Adil Chihi is out from U19 squad due to probe by FIFA to make sure that he has not played for Morroco A national team :rolleyes:

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 4 2006, 12:30 PM

Delura isnt really a striker anyway. Delura is more of a winger and a Second top behind the striker. So is Tyrala

We are not running out of strikers.

Top class strikers we have Klose.
Hot prospects we have Podolski, Kiessling, Schlaudraff, Hunt who impresses all of us with his good form recently
Hanke, Gomez n Kuranyi all have the potential. Gomez and Hanke are types of strikers that we dont have for years. Strong physical, powerful, and decent finisher. Kuranyi is a question mark to me, but i can always remember what he could do in season 02/03, and The first ten matches after Klinsi has taken over the NT.

Up and coming new stars:
Manuel Fischer
Adil Chihi
Daniel Halfar
Felix Kroos (Toni's brother)

I'm surprised you didn't mention the hottest prospect! PATRICK HELMES - this guy is awesome and Löw would have nominated him if he didn't have that injury.

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 4 2006, 12:32 PM

Adil Chihi is out from U19 squad due to probe by FIFA to make sure that he has not played for Morroco A national team :rolleyes:

yeah Adil will have his first game for Germany in November due to that. I feel sorry for him. :(

Gerry_BMG

Oct 4 2006, 11:17 PM

Up and coming new stars:
Manuel Fischer
Adil Chihi
Daniel Halfar
Felix Kroos (Toni's brother)
Bierhoffs wife is pregnant, so you forgot in case it will be a boy:

"insert yet unknown name here" Bierhoff

:drinkbeer

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 5 2006, 12:09 AM

In case you guys are interested, I've made a list for transfermarkt.de with German talents who are also eligible for other countries. It's in German though:

Berücksichtigt werden nur Spieler, die max 23 Jahre alt sind und bei Vereinen spielen, die in der 1/2 Bundesliga sind.
Es gibt drei Kategorien:

"Nur für Deutschland spielberechtigt"
"Für Deutschland und XY Spielberechtigt"
"Spieler mit deutschem Pass/in Deutschland geboren -> für Deutschland nicht spielberechtigt"

Ich richte mich dabei nach den tm.de Angaben bez. der Staatsbürgerschaften der Spieler.

http://www.freewebs.com/smithfan/DFB%2DTalente.xls

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 5 2006, 01:01 AM

since my host service is kinda "bad", I put it on rapidshare:

http://rapidshare.de/files/35523343/DFB-Talente.xls.html

Coldplay

Oct 5 2006, 02:15 AM

Cichi is only 18 years old, so why does he belong to the "Nur für Deutschland spielberechtigt (Herkunftsland/Eltern)" category?

I thought only players with one passport n has capped in U21 or players who have reached 21 years old are capped by Germany

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 5 2006, 12:59 PM

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 5 2006, 03:14 PM

new list is out:

http://rapidshare.de/files/35576049/DFB-Talente__aktualisiert_5.10.06_.xls.html

Gerry_BMG

Oct 6 2006, 12:45 AM

looks like 50% of all youth nationals are/were aligible to play for other countries :ninja

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 6 2006, 01:52 AM

looks like 50% of all youth nationals are/were aligible to play for other countries :ninja

ha...I've already started updating the list. There are about 30 new players added (I will publish the list tomorrow). :ninja

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 6 2006, 03:59 PM

ha...I've already started updating the list. There are about 30 new players added (I will publish the list tomorrow). :ninja

I added about 40 new players. Here you go :drinkbeer

http://rapidshare.de/files/35711449/DFB-Talente__aktualisiert_6.10.06_.xls.html

scorpion2a

Oct 6 2006, 07:56 PM

looks like 50% of all youth nationals are/were aligible to play for other countries :ninja
Gerry, has a point guys. Too sad to know it's a possibility that 50% of our national players might decide to play for another "opponent" team.

Gerry_BMG

Oct 6 2006, 08:14 PM

Gerry, has a point guys. Too sad to know it's a possibility that 50% of our national players might decide to play for another "opponent" team.
It leaves things in uncertainty and raises pressure on the Bundestrainer and U21 trainer to invite players to make sure they play for germany and not solely because of performances. Also a point is, that players heads are turned, like it is with Tasci currently, so that they wont be able to fully concentrate on football and are bothered with it

scorpion2a

Oct 12 2006, 01:29 PM

Hey.. here's something that indicates what we're speaking about.. and it would cheer Hitler up too!
The possible German 1st NT in 2010-2011 (probably after a series of injuries and some suspensions).
-- ---------------Rensing----------------------

Owemoyela-----Matip---Tasci------Fathi

Odonkor-----Castro--Trochowski--Boateng

-------Asamoah-------Podolski

mysi

Oct 12 2006, 02:12 PM

soon everyone in German NT will speak polish ;)

Mertesacker

Oct 13 2006, 02:42 PM

Funny you should say that. When I took the tube yesterday I suddenly realized that I was the only German guy and everyone else spoke Polish. There are 15 busses departing daily to Poland from here, there are two Polish families living in my house.
It's becoming crazy.

Gerry_BMG

Oct 13 2006, 02:53 PM

soon everyone in German NT will speak polish ;)

and one day, everybody on this earth will talk german

scorpion2a

Oct 13 2006, 03:07 PM

or it could be...

-- --------------------Rensing----------------------

---------Sinkiewicz---Brzenska------Tasci

-------------------------Polanski------------------

Odonkor-----Boateng--Castro---Trochowski

----------------Asamoah-------Podolski

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 14 2006, 12:33 AM

Mertesacker

Oct 14 2006, 02:37 AM

In 5 years from now we might see the first kids of German heritage play for the Norwegian NT. Seems like quite a few Germans are emigrating to Norway.

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 14 2006, 11:55 AM

In 5 years from now we might see the first kids of German heritage play for the Norwegian NT. Seems like quite a few Germans are emigrating to Norway.

They're building a parallel society and wait for a DFB-call up :laugh :drinkbeer

warszawski

Oct 15 2006, 12:20 AM

Our polish team would look like this:

---------------Schäfer-----------------
-Wittek--Brzenska--Sinkiewicz--Boenisch
--------------Polanski------------------
---Tyrala---------------Delura----------
------------Trochowski----------------
------Klose------------Podolski---------

Subs: Bodzek, Thomik, Zajas etc

Some Bundesliga-proven players like Schäfer, Brzenska, Sinkiewicz, Polanski, Trochowski, Podolski and Klose. Together with some promising youngsters like Tyrala (DFB-U19), Boenisch and Wittek (DFB-U18)

You are one crazy lady!! What is it with you and your fascination of Polish boys. You've got to be kidding. :rolleyes: Schafer is not even top 3 for German keepers, and this guy would have no chance for the Polish NT. Wittek is ****! Brzenska is not even Polish! Sinkiewicz.......we will see. Boenisch will play for Poland. Tyrala will play for Poland. Trochowski, Polanski....I hope they break a leg....but don't worry it's PZPN's fault as well. Delura will play for Poland. Klose and Podolski......I've expressed my opinion on them....so no need to go that far. Thomik......he is ****! Adam Bodzek.....we will see. I have read an interview with him and he says that he feels Polish, but I guess we will just wait and see. Good talent, though. But seriously.......is there any German talent out there besides Fritz, and Hanke???

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 15 2006, 01:08 AM

You are one crazy lady!! What is it with you and your fascination of Polish boys. You've got to be kidding. :rolleyes: Schafer is not even top 3 for German keepers, and this guy would have no chance for the Polish NT. Wittek is ****! Brzenska is not even Polish! Sinkiewicz.......we will see. Boenisch will play for Poland. Tyrala will play for Poland. Trochowski, Polanski....I hope they break a leg....but don't worry it's PZPN's fault as well. Delura will play for Poland. Klose and Podolski......I've expressed my opinion on them....so no need to go that far. Thomik......he is ****! Adam Bodzek.....we will see. I have read an interview with him and he says that he feels Polish, but I guess we will just wait and see. Good talent, though. But seriously.......is there any German talent out there besides Fritz, and Hanke???

huh? that was a joke-team since someone said that "soon the whole German nt will speak polish"...:ninja - no need to take it seriously...:laugh

P.S.: Boenisch and Tyrala will play for Germnay :nod (although Boenish is too weak compared to Jansen, Lahm, Fathi etc. and those guys aren't much older than Boenisch) Bodzek? Who cares...he's average. Delura? He's 21 and capped - he waited too long...:nono

warszawski

Oct 15 2006, 01:14 AM

huh? that was a joke-team since someone said that "soon the whole German nt will speak polish"...:ninja - no need to take it seriously...:laugh

P.S.: Boenisch and Tyrala will play for Germnay :nod (although Boenish is too weak compared to Jansen, Lahm, Fathi etc. and those guys aren't much older than Boenisch) Bodzek? Who cares...he's average. Delura? He's 21 and capped - he waited too long...:nono

I'm just saying, I've seen you post on 3 different forums, and it's always about these Polish guys.......please tell me how Brzenska is Polish?

P.S. we will see about Boenisch and Tyrala. Boenisch already played for Polish youth team, and it seems like the Tyrala talk is not B.S. because of the source it came from. Your the one who mentioned Bodzek. :ninja Delura, capped when?

scorpion2a

Oct 15 2006, 01:48 AM

warszawski

Oct 15 2006, 07:51 AM

Sinkiewicz is playing for Germany.. that's done. He 's been already capped in one senior German NT match.
Bozek, Delura & Boenisch will play for Poland no doubt (almost certain about that and my source is dubai sportchannel.
Tyrala is still a mystery for me and porbably for both DFB & PZPN.

The most encouraging news (for Poles) that I have heard, is from our U-19 coach Michal Globisz, who stated that he has spoken to Tyrala, and he is very high on playing for Poland in the future. They were interviewing Globisz on the news.

Schwalker

Oct 15 2006, 09:30 AM

Anyone thinking that Boenisch is "weak" can´t have seen him play...19 y.o and 1.91m high and 88 kg muscles is not bad eh?

scorpion2a

Oct 15 2006, 12:06 PM

More bad news. Kucokovic confirmed his will to play for Bosnia today.

Schwalker

Oct 15 2006, 12:23 PM

It´s hardly important if 20 bordercases decide to play for another country AS LONG AS THE 20 BEST PLAYERS DECIDE FOR US...In my view at least.

scorpion2a

Oct 15 2006, 12:30 PM

It´s hardly important if 20 bordercases decide to play for another country AS LONG AS THE 20 BEST PLAYERS DECIDE FOR US...In my view at least.
The point is U can tell which of them will be in the top 20. Those guys are still young in the musical chairs phase. It's very likely that a mediocre Kucukovic developes into a world class striker.

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 15 2006, 01:17 PM

I'm just saying, I've seen you post on 3 different forums, and it's always about these Polish guys.......please tell me how Brzenska is Polish?

P.S. we will see about Boenisch and Tyrala. Boenisch already played for Polish youth team, and it seems like the Tyrala talk is not B.S. because of the source it came from. Your the one who mentioned Bodzek. :ninja Delura, capped when?

You still don't understand, do you? It was a bloody JOKE! Not a "who could be part of the polish NT" post or whatever you make out of it?!?!? Who cares about Bodzek and Co.?

But check your information. Boenisch was invited to a polish training camp in February in Danzig but didn't appear there nor did he play any game for the polish national team (search for "boenisch" on the PZPN site and you will find nothing else than a list of invitations to this training camp). His parents don't want him to play for Poland.

@schwalker - I didn't say he is weak generally. I just said that he is weak compared (!) to Jansen, Lahm and Co. He would have problems to get into the national team because those guys aren't much older than Boenisch. I like Boenisch's style, he is physically strong, can run the line up and down and passes good.

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 15 2006, 01:18 PM

More bad news. Kucokovic confirmed his will to play for Bosnia today.

he already did it a few month ago by giving a press conference in Bosnia and saying that he just played for Germany because of Stielike. Well...Kucukovic is certainly not the best striker anyway...

do you have an online source available for this? thanks. :drinkbeer

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 15 2006, 01:21 PM

It´s hardly important if 20 bordercases decide to play for another country AS LONG AS THE 20 BEST PLAYERS DECIDE FOR US...In my view at least.

Sometimes those players decide to play for the country of their parents because they don't see a chance in German national team. Often it's true but sometimes it's wrong though (Klasnic is such a case - with his form from 1-2 years ago, he would have made it into the national team easily).

But you're right. It's important to get the best players - that's why I'm happy that the DFB cared for Gonzalo Castro, Adil Chihi, Serdar Tasci and Sami Khedira for example. :drinkbeer

Schwalker

Oct 15 2006, 04:19 PM

Sometimes those players decide to play for the country of their parents because they don't see a chance in German national team. Often it's true but sometimes it's wrong though (Klasnic is such a case - with his form from 1-2 years ago, he would have made it into the national team easily).

But you're right. It's important to get the best players - that's why I'm happy that the DFB cared for Gonzalo Castro, Adil Chihi, Serdar Tasci and Sami Khedira for example. :drinkbeer

It´s no secret that DFB are scouting the most promising cases and encourages them to opt for Germany, and they know that they would gain financially from it...

Red Devil

Oct 15 2006, 04:56 PM

They're building a parallel society and wait for a DFB-call up :laugh :drinkbeer Nein! They are sneaking up there in order to swing westwards and take over Scotland!! :devil Heaven knows, Scotland need somebody who can play footie!!

palmerq

Oct 15 2006, 05:10 PM

Nein! They are sneaking up there in order to swing westwards and take over Scotland!! :devil Heaven knows, Scotland need somebody who can play footie!!maybe it would be better for macedonia and croatia to invade scotland then :S

Coldplay

Oct 15 2006, 10:23 PM

I'm just saying, I've seen you post on 3 different forums, and it's always about these Polish guys.......please tell me how Brzenska is Polish?

P.S. we will see about Boenisch and Tyrala. Boenisch already played for Polish youth team, and it seems like the Tyrala talk is not B.S. because of the source it came from. Your the one who mentioned Bodzek. :ninja Delura, capped when?

Seems like you have no idea about the FIFA regulation. Delura is capped by Germany becoz All players have to decide their own nationality before the age of 21.

To Tyrala and Boenisch............come on, lets face it. Boenisch is currently under German U19. Already Played for Polish youth Team??? You sure about that? In that case, under the FIFA regulation of players can only Switch their nationality once..............Boenisch can only play for Germany in the fututre

scorpion2a

Oct 15 2006, 11:18 PM

Boenisch is currently under German U19. Already Played for Polish youth Team??? You sure about that? In that case, under the FIFA regulation of players can only Switch their nationality once..............Boenisch can only play for Germany in the fututre
Boenisch is currently playing for the German U19?! That's a surprize, cuz I thought he's playing for the polish U19 after making a switch from the German side.

Schwalker

Oct 15 2006, 11:56 PM

Stop it...Boenisch have not made a decision yet.

warszawski

Oct 16 2006, 01:09 AM

You still don't understand, do you? It was a bloody JOKE! Not a "who could be part of the polish NT" post or whatever you make out of it?!?!? Who cares about Bodzek and Co.?

But check your information. Boenisch was invited to a polish training camp in February in Danzig but didn't appear there nor did he play any game for the polish national team (search for "boenisch" on the PZPN site and you will find nothing else than a list of invitations to this training camp). His parents don't want him to play for Poland.

I don't think you understand. You were the first to mention Adam Bodzek......so what do you want from me ??? You should check your information, because I still don't understand how Markus Brzenska is Polish? Boenisch did not play in an actual game.....but neither did Delura for the German team, he was called up but did not debut for the "Team 2006". Getting back to Boenisch, I did hear the rumor about his mother, but he is not under 18 anymore.....so the decision will lay on his shoulders either way.

warszawski

Oct 16 2006, 01:19 AM

Seems like you have no idea about the FIFA regulation. Delura is capped by Germany becoz All players have to decide their own nationality before the age of 21.

To Tyrala and Boenisch............come on, lets face it. Boenisch is currently under German U19. Already Played for Polish youth Team??? You sure about that? In that case, under the FIFA regulation of players can only Switch their nationality once..............Boenisch can only play for Germany in the fututre

You just contradicted yourself, by saying that players have to decide their nationality before the age of 21, and now your saying that Boenisch can only play for Germany in the future, despite him being under 21.

As far as I know it the rule is he can not change nationalities once he goes beyond the age of 21.

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 16 2006, 01:24 PM

I don't think you understand. You were the first to mention Adam Bodzek......so what do you want from me ??? You should check your information, because I still don't understand how Markus Brzenska is Polish? Boenisch did not play in an actual game.....but neither did Delura for the German team, he was called up but did not debut for the "Team 2006". Getting back to Boenisch, I did hear the rumor about his mother, but he is not under 18 anymore.....so the decision will lay on his shoulders either way.

You answered in a serious way to a nonsense post from my side! :nod

Brzenska's parents are polish, he himself was born in Germany.

Delura is capped (only exception is if he has requested the national team change officialy towards FIFA before he got 21 years old - which seems very unlikely because it would have been made public probably). The rule is: A player can change the national team once if he has both citizenships at the time of the first match for one national team and if he has not become 21 years old. Then he's simply too late.

Boenisch could still play for Poland and for Germany. He did not play for Poland, he did not play for Germany. Who knows if he will ever be good enough to play for one team anyway?

Once again, don't take everything so damn seriously. It was a nonsense answer to someone who said that soon the German national team will speak polish. And now let's finish this, please. :nod

Coldplay

Oct 19 2006, 09:38 PM

Timonator

Oct 19 2006, 09:46 PM

Mario Gomez already played for the U21. :s

PiotrTrochowski

Oct 19 2006, 10:45 PM

So is Delura capped? i m kinda confused becasue right before his 21st birthday he expressed his will to play for Poland. So is is capped for Germany or Poland?

And how about Mario Gomez, is he capped? I realize he has played for Germany Team 2006 once.........does that count? I m also interested in knowing the situation of Sergio Peter as well

both are capped, definitely.

Sergio Peter does not have a foreign background. The name of his father is Peter Wagner and his mother's name is Simone Peter