Hamburg lost

[bastian]

1-0 in Moscu.

The ref showed the red card to Lauth unfairly.

Hamburg played terrible...

Doll should have add some flair(Trochowski) since the beginning.

[Timonator]

well its no wonder to me. Idiotic Hamburg sold the soul of this team (Van Buyten, Barbarez) and instead of buying a good striker they loaned out money adiccted Ljuboja and bought Sanogo. Not quiet Champions-leauge material.

[Gerry_BMG]

well its no wonder to me. Idiotic Hamburg sold the soul of this team (Van Buyten, Barbarez) and instead of buying a good striker they loaned out money adiccted Ljuboja and bought Sanogo. Not quiet Champions-leauge material.

Yes Timo, what a soulless team it is currently... Nothing fits offensively... It is easy to tear the team apart but I think in 10 gamedays they might be better, but the CL will be lost...
I fear for the 3rd CL spot... Portugal is doing quite well and might take our place... how deep we have fallen.

[Timonator]

I don't know maybe some BL teams (and club officials!!!) will wake up if we have got only 2 CL spots. At least we wouldn't have to watch such "Grottenkicks" like tonight ever again! :rolleyes: I dont know why german teams always underperforme in Europe. Are they scared? Is it the fault of the german coaches? Or are our teams really this ****e that we can't even win against Moscou!?

Still, don't get worked up! At the moment we still have our 3 CL spots. I have faith in Bayern lol if they win the CL we can breathe for a while! I don't think anyone's got Bayern in their books this year so this might turn out to be an advantage for them. hehe Bayern the underdog!!!

[Schwalker]

Hmpf..What did you expect from a team that after five rounds of the buli still haven´t won a game?
A team that pointwise is 1 (one) point ahead of Wolfsburg who are at the very bottom of the table.

HSV fans talked big and claimed that the Werder/HSV axis would replace the Rührgebeit as the Bayernjägers, but so far they have failed miserably...Dritten kraft in the buli? Hmm, I don´t think so.

[Schwalker]

This Moscow team won the Uefa-cup two years ago...Don´t underestimate them. You will not find that many russians in this team.

Their wage bill tops 50m Euros every year...Just ONE club in the buli are bigger spenders.

[Timonator]

if i m right Abramowich owns this club too?? Or is he just an investor?

Schwalker, when i see CL then i m not thinking about the Bundesliga. You can struggle against teams like Nürnberg who are in great shape. Bundesliga is "Tagesgeschäft" and many teams need a while to find their ryhthem, but in the CL you have to give EVERYTHING from the first second there is no time to find a ryhthem and you dont get many chances to straighten defeats.

You know if they dont have the technical ability i wanna see at least some fire and fighting spirit on the pitch. Thats not too much to ask for isnit?

I think i speak for many when i say that you can expect a little bit more from a german BL team that is worth a few millions and finished 3rd last season. But to be honest i saw this coming. It reminds me of the Stuttgart situation 3 years ago. Our ******* management wanted to imporve the already good team, but instead of improving the team we sold our most important player for a few million euro and went down on the table promtly.

[FCBfurimmer]

This Moscow team won the Uefa-cup two years ago...Don´t underestimate them. You will not find that many russians in this team.

Their wage bill tops 50m Euros every year...Just ONE club in the buli are bigger spenders.

i rememeber bayern being around 50m€ mark... And if i prosume no one has bigger budget(mybe Dortmund in old days)...we are the one

[khalid2006]

NO German Players in the team = No German Spirit = No wins

easy formula

[Al_the drummer]

I said they'd be eliminated first round, Hamburg are absolute pants.

[matrix666777]

NO German Players in the team = No German Spirit = No wins
easy formula

It's really strange that german clubs don't get that....
Germany has won 3 world cups and 3 european championships not because they had the best players...but because of german typical strengths....
German clubs don't have the best players so they have te relay on german typical strengths which is not possible if you field 11 foreginers....every german club should have at least 6-7 german players if they have to win something.

[derejekissi]

I said they'd be eliminated first round, Hamburg are absolute pants.

We have to worry for the image of German football, not for Hamburg sv.When I make such remarks, I do so with objectivity and professionalism and my comments have nothing to do with envy or hatred as I am one of the most genuine supporters of German football at all levels of competition.

What is amazing or rather surprising is the fact that this club is well acquainted with defeat. I can say the club has already made defeat part and parcel of its life. Of course, I can cite numerous reasons for the club's repeated failure this season.First and foremost, the head coach [Doll] has to blame because has lacked the tactical acumen he possessed last season.He appears to have been confused with team selection, who to replace , when to make substitutions and what to do. Look at the gamble he made yesterday.He left Trochowski,the only creative playmaker in the team after the injury to Vander Vaart, on the bench. On a number of occasions this season I have been observing him making erroneous and risky substitutions even after trailing the opponents by a goal or two. Moreover, his bold decision to leave Lauth on the substitutes' bench on 3 or 4 occasions has cost the club.Is Lauth worse than Lijuboa? Aren't there many German players better than Wicky, Jarolim,etc? Hamburg players are simply a bunch of amateur players who don't know how to score and how to kill games like the Champions League.The team is neither defensive nor offensive.

Secondly,the club doesn't have shrewd management and clever soccer analysts who assess the opponents' weaknesses and strengths before the crucial games. For me, losing to CSKA Moscow is an insult not only to Hamburg sv but also to the German football.Then, which opponent in the group is weaker than CSKA Moscow?

Thirdly, the influx of foreign players to the Bundesliga in general and to this club in particular has militated against the team's[Hamburg's]ambitions.There must be winning mentality and team spirit to be implanted in the team and for this to happen, there must be at least 5 German players in each team and this is not the case with Hamburg and Schalke 04 of course.

Lastly, let me offer my advice to Hamburg Sv.You have to learn what football is all about.You have to have good football ideology.'Football is all about scoring at least one more goal against the opponent.'You have to learn this from FFC Frnkfurt[the defending UEFA Women's Cup] or FFC Turbine Potsdam[the current frauen-Bundesliga and frauen-pokal holders] or German Women National Team, who have conceded only 2 goals so far in 2006 and scored over 60 goals in some 11 matches.Let us all see how RUSSIA-GERMANY women's qualification ends today in Moscow for the FIFA 2007 Women's world CUP.Presumably, Hamburg can start learning something from this game.

[Al_the drummer]

Good post derejekissi although I would suggest that the overriding factor in this problem is first and foremost money, which is why German clubs are and will continue to struggle in the Champions League this season and beyond. As for loosing to sides like CSK Moscow well that does indeed say a lot for the quality of the Bundesliga, they are a group of second-rate foreign players who play without team spirit and cohesion.

Doll dropped Trochowski because he has been constantly ineffectual in the five or so games he has started this season, this isn't a conspiracy against German talent but a logical decision following his recent performances, lets get that cleared up.

We'll continue having these rather pointless and depressing threads until all the German clubs are eliminated, that’s a money-back guarantee. 'German' teams this season are weaker than any previous season I can remember since I've been watching football. Only Bremen hold a flicker of hope for me, boring Bayern will plough on into the quarters, meet one of the big guns and be sent packing.

On the plus side Bulgaria and Romania are now in the EU, perhaps we can look forward to watching 2nd rate dross every week from now on in the Bundesliga as every German team adopts the philosophy of Energie Cottbus; recruit horse and cart driving gypsies from Eastern Europe for nothing and pay them in bundles of hay and scrap metal, everyone's a winner.

[Distant Voices]

I cannot see today being any better either.

At the moment we have very few great German players-nothing like the 1990s.If anyone who is bored-look at the kicker spielnote archive that goes back to 1995/96 and see the spielnote players like Moeller, Eilts,Sammer, Kohler got-and compare that with today...
So many reasons for this fall-one is injuries-Helmes being the latest.
If Deisler and Metzelder had stayed fit and in form over the years we could be WM champions now.

It is ironic that football now is more and more based around a team-with few great individual players-eg Chelsea, Liverpool, Italy- so you would think this would suit German teams better.

Society today is not producing great personalties like Effenberg and Matthaeus-players who were winners and who believed in themselves to achieve the impossible.
I can only see Lehmann and Frings today having leadership/captain qualities.
Maybe people have more comfortable lives today so there is no need to be a leader- a strong individual.

Also the CL has created an elite-and a thought for the elite.
In the past Bayern would say -need a CB-so they would buy a young and upcoming German CB-say Westermann from Bielefeld.
Today Bayern do not do this-they look to buy international class players who fit in now-ready made players-and this usually means buying foreign international players.

[mr tim fenian]

van der vaart still injured?

[The Exchanger]

hamburg have no intention to compete in europe.. they want quick and fast money.. thats why they sold van buyten and bolahrouz.. its not only hamburg.. most of German clubs cant keep their players or dont want to.. in the coming years i dont think that German clubs will compete in europe in the same level as English, Italian and Spanish clubs

[Ernest Rungoode]

whoever loses in the Hamburg vs Porto match is basically 99% out of the competition i think

Hamburg were unfairly shown a red card, and IMO aren't as weak as some people are thinking

[Schwalker]

If last seasons results in Europe is something to go after we might do well to skip our remaining German players and rely on imports instead...:laugh

[dritan99]

the badest hsv player is BERISHA

[scorpion2a]

I remember 3-4 months back.. I had the idea that Hamburg would rip teams in the CL apart. Then they made the fatal mistake: Selling their best players.. Barbarez, Bolahrouz, vanBeuten. Same mistake VfBStuttgart did few seasons ago and could never recover from the repercussions.
I feel pitty for such teams who change winning horses in a race midstream (Wag The Dog) Hahahaaa

[Gerry_BMG]

I remember 3-4 months back.. I had the idea that Hamburg would rip teams in the CL apart. Then they made the fatal mistake: Selling their best players.. Barbarez, Bolahrouz, vanBeuten. Same mistake VfBStuttgart did few seasons ago and could never recover from the repercussions.
I feel pitty for such teams who change winning horses in a race midstream (Wag The Dog) Hahahaaa

Well, on the contrary to Stuttgart, HSV didnt buy such worn out players like Gronkjaer or Tomasson; they bought Kompany and Sorin, whom you cant call bad. Although I rate Mathijssen not very highly (bought them probably only because he is dutch NT-player - how he managed that is probably only up to van Basten), but he could be a solid cb in some months. Stuttgart bought Babbel... :cool Although I do not like to correct myself, but it looks like Sanogo continues to score.
I think the main error was to buy De Jong. He looks arrogant and pretty selfish, demanding a place in the dm position although he sucked at it last season. I see Hamburg getting stronger and stronger in the short run and once van der Faart (by courtesy of Al_the_brummer), but I doubt they will be as strong as last season.

[Valmiki]

I think Hamburg biggest loss is Babarez ---