PFA Nominees

[Sparky]

BBC

Premiership leaders Chelsea dominate the nominations for this season's Professional Footballers' Association Footballer of the Year Award.
Last year's winner John Terry is joined on the shortlist by Blues and England team-mates Frank Lampard and Joe Cole.

Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard and Manchester United striker Wayne Rooney have also been nominated.

Arsenal's Thierry Henry is the only foreigner in the running for the honour which will be awarded on 23 April.

PFA chief executive Gordon Taylor is not surprised tpo see Chelsea skipper Terry, 25, in the runnning again.

"He has been the cornerstone, not just of the Chelsea defence, but the whole foundations on which their success over the last couple of years has been built," said Taylor.

"John is the one person you would want alongside you in the trenches because he is strong, dependable, reliable and fearless.

"If things are not going well he will come up front and get a goal for you at a corner or free-kick."

And Taylor is not surprised to see Rooney up for the honour 12 months after he was named PFA Young Player of the Year.

"Wayne is special and his development under Sir Alex Ferguson has been great to see," he added.

"For a young man he has got such strength and it is all allied to great skill and perception and he is starting to show a lot more maturity too, which I am really pleased about."

Rooney, still only 20, is also named in the Young Player of the Year category along with Old Trafford team-mate Cristiano Ronaldo.

The Manchester United duo face competition from Tottenham's Aaron Lennon, West Ham defender Anton Ferdinand, Charlton and England striker Darren Bent and Arsenal midfielder Cesc Fabregas.

[Sparky]

IMO it should be between Gerrard and Rooney.

But Terry or Henry will probably get it...

[Sparky]

Also good to see their all English bar Henry.

[SMG316]

Sparky can you add a poll mate?

Im curious as to who people think should win.

[Sparky]

Just tried mate but too late to EDIT the post. Maybe a mod can....?

[MonTheHoops_CFC]

Go to the bottom and you should find add a poll

Player: Rooney
Young: Bent

[SMG316]

Just tried mate but too late to EDIT the post. Maybe a mod can....?

Nah you can because its you who made the thread, there should be an option near the bottom of the thread somewhere.

I think it stays there...

EDIT: just seen Mons post.......hes right :cool

[welshwizard]

I think Terry should win it. He's been the most consistent of that lot by a mile.

[CarefreeCFC]

Terry or Rooney.. although Coley would be a worthy winner i somehow doubt he'll win ;)

[Sparky]

Someone has put a poll in...

I went for Gerrard because I think Rooney will get Young Player...Unless he can win both.

[ruudlover]

It's between Rooney, Gerrard and Henry. How Lampard and Cole are in there is beyond me - They done the opposite of what Ronaldo's been doing for 3 years, and have had awful second halfs of the season compared to their first.

If Rooney doesn't win player, he's a dead cert for young player.

[ada]

Who should get it and who will are two entirely different things. Joe Cole and Frank Lampard for example shouldn't even be nominated but one of them will proberbly win it. Lampard has been awful this season. 14 goals is the only reason he's been nominated. Even Chelsea fans will tell you he's been awful this season. When will people like Toure get nominated instead of Joe Cole.

That said the other 4 candidates are fair enough. Rooney and Henry are the outstanding candidates and Gerrard and Terry are there through merit but aren't on a par this season with Henry and Rooney.

If I had to call it I'd say Rooney will get it as Man Utd have done better in the Premiership. I know it shouldn't count and be about what the player has achieved but since Rooney is hardly an overated Frank Lampard of this world I could stomach him winning it. And if he does Cesc should win young player. Hogging both isn't on :nono.

[CarefreeCFC]

I reckon Rooney will get this one and then Cesc'll get the young player award

[Wilson18]

It will go to Lampard or Gerrard, the former doesnt even deserve to be there, and people saying Joe Cole doesnt deserve his place... BULLSH1T. He has been the best left mid in the epl this season, the national teams stand out player in the past few months, so shove your bias crap to one side. However, imho it has GOT to be Henry or Rooney theres no other real competition. Great how its only the "big 3" clubs that are mentioned, totally by passing some of the talents from tottenham, west ham, bolton etc etc

[CarefreeCFC]

Lampard won't win it, he doesn't deserve to be there, his start to the season was good but he hasn't been anywhere near the form of last season,

[bhargav]

3 CHELSEA PLAYERS!!!! lmfao
how is cole nominated??
its between rooney and henry, think rooney will edge it

[welshwizard]

I'm amazed at the short term memories it seems most people here have. Of those listed, the only one who has performed consistently throughout the season is Terry. All of the others have had serious dips in form. The only possible exception could be Gerrard but he, like Lampard, hasn't been in the same form as previous seasons. It was only a short while ago that Henry was being criticised for showing no commitment and looking like his mind was on a move in the summer.

Once again, this poll will turn into a "pick the player from your club" poll.

[ada]

I'm amazed at the short term memories it seems most people here have. Of those listed, the only one who has performed consistently throughout the season is Terry. All of the others have had serious dips in form. The only possible exception could be Gerrard but he, like Lampard, hasn't been in the same form as previous seasons. It was only a short while ago that Henry was being criticised for showing no commitment and looking like his mind was on a move in the summer.

Once again, this poll will turn into a "pick the player from your club" poll.

True but he was still scoring two goals a game.

[welshwizard]

True but he was still scoring two goals a game.

Bullsh!t :rolleyes:

[leeman]

ive gone for gerard cos hes been absolutely immense. lampard has been poor for most of this year, people like nolan have been much better

[Wilson18]

All of the others have had serious dips in form.

I wouldnt use the word "serious" mate. Rooney has had about 4 bad games this season, none of them together just scattered around, as can be expected when you playing 40 games a season. Henry HASNT been great all season, i'll grant you that and i remember when i first joined soccer24-7, in the Arsenal Forum there were seperate THREADS saying Henry should **** off to Sunny Spain because of his lack of commitment etc. But the one thing Henry does bring to the game, is an entertainment factor that the greatest coaches in the game cannot teach you, and every single game he does something amazing, like Rooney, and even if it does not carry on through the ful 90 minutes, some of the things they can do even when there on an off-day are fuc'king amazing.

And i still reckon JT is vastly overrated, great CB but nowhere near as good as everyone likes to make out. Shame he isnt playing in Serie A or La Liga because i doubt he would get away with half the handballs he does over here :laugh

[ruudlover]

Right i must ask.

Is this award January-January

or

Start of the season to end of the season

because if its January to January Lampard definatly deserves to be in it, and i'd maybe question Henry's inclusion due to injury and i fail to see how Ronaldo would make it.

[SMG316]

Right i must ask.

Is this award January-January

or

Start of the season to end of the season

because if its January to January Lampard definatly deserves to be in it, and i'd maybe question Henry's inclusion due to injury and i fail to see how Ronaldo would make it.

I Always thought it was season to season.
Even if it was Jan-Jan, I wouldnt include Ronaldo tbh.

Poll wouldve been better "who should" not "who will"

should= Gerrard or Rooney
will= Terry

Lamps- has he been playing the past few weeks? Not literally of course.
Henry- he has missed a fair amount, but it speaks volumes that hes top of the goal table still.
Cole- I think hes a fair shout, hes had a really good season IMO.

[Luke.Okeefe]

I would like too see Wayne Rooney win it.

[ruudlover]

Even if it was Jan-Jan, I wouldnt include Ronaldo tbh

neither would i, see my post above

[AlCapone]

Steven Gerrard followed closely by Rooney.

Lampard and Cole.... :laugh

[Vendetta]

These awards are all ******* stupid to be quite honest.

[welshwizard]

I wouldnt use the word "serious" mate. Rooney has had about 4 bad games this season, none of them together just scattered around, as can be expected when you playing 40 games a season. Henry HASNT been great all season, i'll grant you that and i remember when i first joined soccer24-7, in the Arsenal Forum there were seperate THREADS saying Henry should **** off to Sunny Spain because of his lack of commitment etc. But the one thing Henry does bring to the game, is an entertainment factor that the greatest coaches in the game cannot teach you, and every single game he does something amazing, like Rooney, and even if it does not carry on through the ful 90 minutes, some of the things they can do even when there on an off-day are fuc'king amazing.

And i still reckon JT is vastly overrated, great CB but nowhere near as good as everyone likes to make out. Shame he isnt playing in Serie A or La Liga because i doubt he would get away with half the handballs he does over here :laugh

With that statement your credibility hit zero. He has been immense as both a leader and a player. Has been the rock that Chelsea have used to build their success on and has carried the team through their worst periods almost single-handedly.

[Sparky]

With that statement your credibility hit zero. He has been immense as both a leader and a player. Has been the rock that Chelsea have used to build their success on and has carried the team through their worst periods almost single-handedly.

But what about Drogba?

[Wilson18]

With that statement your credibility hit zero. He has been immense as both a leader and a player. Has been the rock that Chelsea have used to build their success on and has carried the team through their worst periods almost single-handedly.


HA ******* HA, theres no response to this because you obviously feel so passionate towards him, all i can do is give my opinion... which is that Terry is MASSIVELY overrated... and if you think my OPINION is wrong... ill learn to ******* live with myself

[ada]

Toure is better than old JT I'll get sucked off in his Bentley by a 16 year old slapper.

[liverbird04]

was disapointed sissko didn't make it onto the young player list ,gerrard has been great for liverpool for most of the season ,played over 50 games but unfortuntely he has just started to go off the boil in the last couple of weeks which will rule him out probably ,people have short memories at the best of times. But for me gerrard has had his most consistent season at liverpool ,better than last year.

[SMG316]

With that statement your credibility hit zero. He has been immense as both a leader and a player. Has been the rock that Chelsea have used to build their success on and has carried the team through their worst periods almost single-handedly.

Dont be such a drama queen WW.

Hes been good definately, but its difficult to decide with chelsea players because theyre surrounded by worldclass players in almost every position.

Whereas Henry was in a team with a makeshift defence n mid more than a few times!
Rooney was in a team with a poor mid more than a few times!
Gerrard was in a team with a poor strikefore more than a few times!

The only Chelsea player who i think is truly worthy of winning is Cole, but not to the same extent as Gerrard & Rooney.

[Big Baps]

For those wondering, the players have to nominate in December/January.

Although Joe Cole has been quality for chelsea IMO, not as good as late but neither have half of those including Rooney. JCs performances for England alone have probably got him there.

[welshwizard]

HA ******* HA, theres no response to this because you obviously feel so passionate towards him, all i can do is give my opinion... which is that Terry is MASSIVELY overrated... and if you think my OPINION is wrong... ill learn to ******* live with myself

I'm sure you are used to people telling you your opinion is wrong mate ;)

You say he's overrated yet give no reason. I disagree and tell you why I disagree. See the difference?

At the end of the day Terry has been the best player at Chelsea and Chelsea are top of the league. Doesn't always work that way but it must count for something.

But it hasn't surprised me that people on here have voted pretty much for the player who plays for their team. Says it all really.

[bhargav]

i feel that gallas is not getting the attention he deserves tbh..
he's a really good player and i rate him over terry personally

[Sinate NZ]

I'm sure you are used to people telling you your opinion is wrong mate ;)

You say he's overrated yet give no reason. I disagree and tell you why I disagree. See the difference?

At the end of the day Terry has been the best player at Chelsea and Chelsea are top of the league. Doesn't always work that way but it must count for something.

But it hasn't surprised me that people on here have voted pretty much for the player who plays for their team. Says it all really.

Over rated speaks for itself, you dont need to give an example to get your point accross for that. BTW, terry is overrated.

I would like to see Henry win it but if he doesnt i think Rooney will get it.

[Paradox]

Henry won't win if the voting was at the start of the year because he was injured. I'd go for Rooney

Terry doesn't look half as good when he doesn't have a holding mid in front of him, If England get Brazil in the WC he'll be ripped apart because he's too slow

Is Sissoko eligible for the Young player award?

[Kastra]

WW is bang on the bell to be honest, not one player on that list have been consistent over the whole season like Terry has.

If Lampard had kept up his early form, then he probably would have won it. Rooney and Gerrard have been very good but not quite as consistent as Terry. Henry suffers from his reputation being so huge, the amount of goals he scores are expected, but he's been off form or injured for spells this season.

Carragher would have been in there ahead of Cole for me though.

[equinox24]

Henry; and young player I would probably choose Fabregas

[Wilson18]

I'm sure you are used to people telling you your opinion is wrong mate ;)

You say he's overrated yet give no reason. I disagree and tell you why I disagree. See the difference?

At the end of the day Terry has been the best player at Chelsea and Chelsea are top of the league. Doesn't always work that way but it must count for something.

But it hasn't surprised me that people on here have voted pretty much for the player who plays for their team. Says it all really.


How can i back my opinion up? Because if i say, he isnt as good at marking players for example, you will hit back saying this is bull. If i claim that some of his positional play is poor for a Centre Back, again, all you will do is disagree.

Like i say, hes still a world class defender, up in the top 3 with Puyol and Cannavaro for me. But almost every one from the media to the residents of soccer24-7 talk about him as being some kind of gift from the gods. He throws himself into a few tackles here and there, he is a big strong centre back, has a good attacking know how in the opposition box.. but so do another 20 centre backs across europe..

what it boils down to is what an individual classes as a phenomanal cb. You have the Terry-esques, who throw themseves wherever the ball finds itself, then you have the more tactical, intelligent players like king, ferdinand and overseas the likes of Nesta and Heitinga. If you prefer a solid, dominant centre half and believe Terry is the best at that job, fair play everyone has an opinion of who is the best etc. I just dont see Terry as a complete package as everyone else does, everyone thinks that he is so good he has no room for improvement, this is why he is overated (IMO) Because he CAN improve in alot of areas.

[CarefreeCFC]

i feel that gallas is not getting the attention he deserves tbh..
he's a really good player and i rate him over terry personally
i don't rate him over terry but the first person i thought of when i heard the 6 nominees was gallas and how he would be worthy of being there, he's been getting more credit this season than he has before but still most people don't pay much attention to him, the fans chelsea player of the year is announced tonight though so hopefully he can win that instead :)

[illmatic]

voted for gerrard as hes been the most consistent all season

[Wilson18]

id rather have gallas than terry in my team, hes just the perfect utility player that John O'Shea can only dream about. he can do more than a good enough job wherever you put him in the back line, thats why i rate him higher than terry


*awaits further abuse*

[SMG316]

id rather have gallas than terry in my team, hes just the perfect utility player that John O'Shea can only dream about. he can do more than a good enough job wherever you put him in the back line, thats why i rate him higher than terry


*awaits further abuse*

Mate theres no point, according to WW- if you disagree with him, youre wrong and biased and know didly squat about football.

His word is gospel and he can do no wrong :holy247 :holy247 :holy247 :holy247

[CarefreeCFC]

glad you've finally realised that sarah ;)

[Shanks]

Is this not the biggest proof ever, that this whole award process is a joke.

How the **** is Lampard in there, he has been anonymous for the latter [art of the season.

How have people like Robbie Keane and Steve Finnan been left out.......I tell u why, cos they arent fashionable enough.

Absolute joke.

[ruudlover]

the thing is, its the players that nominate these 1's isn't it? so these obviously must be the hardest to play against

[Sinate NZ]

Realisticaly it should be Henry or Rooney because it it werent for them, both clubs would be further down the ladder. Whereas Chelsea dont really have a 1 star man who is relyed on by the whole club. It was Lampard but hes playing like crap now.

[Gadger]

Where's Morten Gamst-Perdersen, Stelios, Nolan, Mido, Carrick or anybody else for that matter that has been outstanding this season. They really need to cap the amount of players from one club can be nominated for the award.

[ruud best]

There's no doubt that John Terry looks great in the Premiership but I won't believe that he's one of the best defenders in the world until he starts performing for England,he has yet to have a good game for the national team. IMO

Gerrard is long odds-on(about 4/11) to win the PFA Award and Rooney is even longer odd-on(about 1/4) to win the Young Player Award.

[Sinate NZ]

Robbie Keane should be there too.

[Gaurav]

lampard :ninja

[Gaurav]

no my rating will be...

1.terry
2.gerrard
3.rooney
4.henry

[SMG316]

Where's Morten Gamst-Perdersen, Stelios, Nolan, Mido, Carrick or anybody else for that matter that has been outstanding this season. They really need to cap the amount of players from one club can be nominated for the award.

Fair shout, theyve all had superb seasons. But its always the 'bigger' names that get nominated isnt it?
Not saying I agree with it, its just the way it happens- in almost every footballing award show. Like how the heck did Ronaldo deserve a nomination in the young player when hes been awful for more than half the season?

Realisticaly it should be Henry or Rooney because it it werent for them, both clubs would be further down the ladder. Whereas Chelsea dont really have a 1 star man who is relyed on by the whole club. It was Lampard but hes playing like crap now.

If we didnt have Gerrard, im positive we'd be lower than 3rd.

It is hard to truly judge a chelsea player when theyre surrounded by quality in each position; it makes their job that little bit easier.

[ruud best]

Like how the heck did Ronaldo deserve a nomination in the young player when hes been awful for more than half the season?


The same could be said about Fabregas. IMO

[Sinate NZ]

The same could be said about Fabregas. IMO

Your joking, right???????
If not then that is ****ed up.

[ruud best]

Your joking, right???????
If not then that is ****ed up.

Awful may be a bit strong but I did think he was having an average season up until a couple of months ago.

[Sinate NZ]

Awful may be a bit strong but I did think he was having an average season up until a couple of months ago.

He only seems average back then because we look at him now and he is running the game. He was always playing good at the start of the season but all of a sudden he has been playing 5 times better than before so its kind of unfair to say he was average at the start, its just that we are comparing him now with the fabregas of 5-6 months ago.

[ruudlover]

Awful may be a bit strong but I did think he was having an average season up until a couple of months ago.


yeo, he was average at best for months and was bullied too easily. No doubt he's a great player, he's the only arsenal player i like, but he's only recently started performing

[welshwizard]

Mate theres no point, according to WW- if you disagree with him, youre wrong and biased and know didly squat about football.

His word is gospel and he can do no wrong :holy247 :holy247 :holy247 :holy247

Well surely anyone who has an opinion that is different to someone else's opinion thinks the other person is wrong don't they??? :rolleyes:

Oh look, Terry has just scored for Chelsea :laugh :laugh

[SMG316]

Well surely anyone who has an opinion that is different to someone else's opinion thinks the other person is wrong don't they??? :rolleyes:

Oh look, Terry has just scored for Chelsea :laugh :laugh

No, you just accept that the other person doesnt agree with you; it doesnt neccesarily (sp) make them wrong does it?

So did Lampard.......

and he still doesnt deserve to win it either imo

[welshwizard]

No, you just accept that the other person doesnt agree with you; it doesnt neccesarily (sp) make them wrong does it?



It makes them wrong in your eyes surely???

For example, I think Terry should win this award and I've given my reasons. Therefore when others say someone else should win it, I disagree as I have another opinion and I try and explain how I've got to that opinion.

I will respect another point of view but only if that person can say why they got to their decision or why they think I'm wrong. Saying he's "overrated" is not really saying anything is it??

It seems that some on here are very sensitive about someone debating with them and when they get a differing opinion they are unable to back up their argument.

[SMG316]

It makes them wrong in your eyes surely???

For example, I think Terry should win this award and I've given my reasons. Therefore when others say someone else should win it, I disagree as I have another opinion and I try and explain how I've got to that opinion.

I will respect another point of view but only if that person can say why they got to their decision or why they think I'm wrong. Saying he's "overrated" is not really saying anything is it??

It seems that some on here are very sensitive about someone debating with them and when they get a differing opinion they are unable to back up their argument.

Well ok, maybe they are wrong in your eyes, doesnt make them 'wrong' or 'biased' as you often claim others to be, when they disagree.

Whats wrong with saying somebodys "overrated"? It means he/she doesnt think the person is as good as they are often portrayed by others doesnt it? Just as valid as any other arguement in my book.

But retorts like "with that statement, your credibility hit zero" just because you didnt agree.........:nono

[illmatic]

Fair shout, theyve all had superb seasons. But its always the 'bigger' names that get nominated isnt it?
Not saying I agree with it, its just the way it happens- in almost every footballing award show. Like how the heck did Ronaldo deserve a nomination in the young player when hes been awful for more than half the season?



If we didnt have Gerrard, im positive we'd be lower than 3rd.

It is hard to truly judge a chelsea player when theyre surrounded by quality in each position; it makes their job that little bit easier.

if gerrard wins this poll by 1 vote im gonna be gutted now cant believe i voted him even if he did deserve it:rolleyes:
i was always under the impression these votes had to be in before febuary in which case ronaldo is a surpise as he was very average most of the season up to that point .

terry and lampard dont deserve to be in it they have never looked world class when they have played at the top level either for england or against barca when ronaldinho made fools of them both

[welshwizard]

if gerrard wins this poll by 1 vote im gonna be gutted now cant believe i voted him even if he did deserve it:rolleyes:
i was always under the impression these votes had to be in before febuary in which case ronaldo is a surpise as he was very average most of the season up to that point .

terry and lampard dont deserve to be in it they have never looked world class when they have played at the top level either for england or against barca when ronaldinho made fools of them both

That's right mate.

Shame they couldn't perform like Gerrard against the mighty Benfica or Rooney against Villareal or Lille.

[welshwizard]

Well ok, maybe they are wrong in your eyes, doesnt make them 'wrong' or 'biased' as you often claim others to be, when they disagree.

Whats wrong with saying somebodys "overrated"? It means he/she doesnt think the person is as good as they are often portrayed by others doesnt it? Just as valid as any other arguement in my book.

But retorts like "with that statement, your credibility hit zero" just because you didnt agree.........:nono

You really have led a sheltered life mate if you think that is OTT. :laugh :laugh

Saying somebody is crap, or overrated, means nothing without backing it up as to why you think they are.

Seems to me that most think they are crap because they play for Chelsea :rolleyes:

[Wilson18]

Yeh because everyone on here seems to be slating Cole as well dont they? its got **** all to do with me being bias, if you look in a thread made in the united forum i said i was shocked ronaldo was in contention for YPOTY, he has been sh1t bar the last couple of months, i just think there are many more players not on the list that, judging by the past 9 months, deserve a shout. But then thats why i dont earn 60K a week to play week in week out against these players, i guess

[welshwizard]

Yeh because everyone on here seems to be slating Cole as well dont they? its got **** all to do with me being bias, if you look in a thread made in the united forum i said i was shocked ronaldo was in contention for YPOTY, he has been sh1t bar the last couple of months, i just think there are many more players not on the list that, judging by the past 9 months, deserve a shout. But then thats why i dont earn 60K a week to play week in week out against these players, i guess

Hold on a minute mate.

I've only picked Terry out of the six nominated players. You only have to look at the results of this poll to see that people have voted for players from their own club with only a couple of exceptions at most.

But I agree that there is no way they have been the six best players.

The most glaring omission is Toure.

[SMG316]

That's right mate.

Shame they couldn't perform like Gerrard against the mighty Benfica or Rooney against Villareal or Lille.

You mean how Lamps has been performing in the past few weeks?

You really have led a sheltered life mate if you think that is OTT. :laugh :laugh

Saying somebody is crap, or overrated, means nothing without backing it up as to why you think they are.

Seems to me that most think they are crap because they play for Chelsea :rolleyes:

No, not OTT- just stupid :)

Not really sure how you back up saying somebody is overrated, but ill have a go...........
I dont think hes as good as half the press make him out to be, when youre infront of 1 of the worlds best keepers, alongside 18m carvalho, 12m ferreira, 12m ADH and the best DM in the world.........it can often be misleading.

If theyre crap because they play for Chelsea......explain how I said I thought Cole was a worthy nomination :unsure:

[notorious]

Henry should get it for basically carrying Arsenal this season, but Rooney will probs get it so i voted for him. If its on consistency, have to agree that Terry should get it - dont remember him going through a bad spell.

[welshwizard]

You mean how Lamps has been performing in the past few weeks?



No, not OTT- just stupid :)

Not really sure how you back up saying somebody is overrated, but ill have a go...........
I dont think hes as good as half the press make him out to be, when youre infront of 1 of the worlds best keepers, alongside 18m carvalho, 12m ferreira, 12m ADH and the best DM in the world.........it can often be misleading.

If theyre crap because they play for Chelsea......explain how I said I thought Cole was a worthy nomination :unsure:

Well how do I say this without upsetting you?? :rolleyes:

Carvalho has been pretty average this season, Ferreira has been no better, Del Horno has been a major disappointment. No doubting Makelele but Cech?? By the time it reaches him the damage has been done.

I think if you cared to ask any Chelsea fans or even try the manager, they will tell you that Terry has been carrying those players, not the other way around. After all, who is the one player from the defence whose name appears EVERY week.

As for Lampard, I haven't said he deserves any recognition. His performances this season whilst still fairly consistent, have been below the levels he set last season.

[SMG316]

Well how do I say this without upsetting you?? :rolleyes:

Carvalho has been pretty average this season, Ferreira has been no better, Del Horno has been a major disappointment. No doubting Makelele but Cech?? By the time it reaches him the damage has been done.

I think if you cared to ask any Chelsea fans or even try the manager, they will tell you that Terry has been carrying those players, not the other way around. After all, who is the one player from the defence whose name appears EVERY week.

As for Lampard, I haven't said he deserves any recognition. His performances this season whilst still fairly consistent, have been below the levels he set last season.

So Terrys pretty much a 1 man defence then?

Suuuuuuuure.

Damage has been done by the time it reaches Cech? What does that even mean?
If theres defensive slip ups & he makes a save and they keep a clean sheet, does it not paint a better picture of the defence?

And I forgot Gallas :)

[welshwizard]

So Terrys pretty much a 1 man defence then?

Suuuuuuuure.

Damage has been done by the time it reaches Cech? What does that even mean?
If theres defensive slip ups & he makes a save and they keep a clean sheet, does it not paint a better picture of the defence?

And I forgot Gallas :)

Where did I say he was a one man defence you muppet?? :rolleyes:

Gallas is a superb player. I would say as good as Terry as a player but Terry has also got the leadership qualities that make him stand above Gallas. Terry is almost a carbon copy of Tony Adams. Both get unwarranted stick and it won't be until Terry finishes that other teams fans will give him the credit he deserves.

So are you also going to say Gerrard doesn't deserve to be there as Xavi Alonso makes him look better?? In fact, it could be argued that Gerrard couldn't even hold his place in the CM when Sissoko and Alonso were playing regularly.

And Rooney. He only looks good because of RVN or Saha or Ronaldo.

Your argument is pretty weak mate, IN MY OPINION. The points you make can be equally applied to any of the other players named, if not more so.

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Where did I say he was a one man defence you muppet?? :rolleyes:

It was implied when you slated Carvalho, ADH and Ferreira dumbass....

Gallas is a superb player. I would say as good as Terry as a player but Terry has also got the leadership qualities that make him stand above Gallas. Terry is almost a carbon copy of Tony Adams. Both get unwarranted stick and it won't be until Terry finishes that other teams fans will give him the credit he deserves.

Doesnt make him the best player in the prem though........

So are you also going to say Gerrard doesn't deserve to be there as Xavi Alonso makes him look better?? In fact, it could be argued that Gerrard couldn't even hold his place in the CM when Sissoko and Alonso were playing regularly.

I hardly think you can compare playing alongside Xabi to playing in the star studded chelsea team, poor arguement there mate.

Yeah.......because such is his versatility that he can do a job for us at RM asewll as CM, even when he was out of position; he was scoring regularly and MOTM numerous times- so "hold his place" was a bit OTT.

And Rooney. He only looks good because of RVN or Saha or Ronaldo.

No, they look good because of him and all the work he does....


Your argument is pretty weak mate, IN MY OPINION. The points you make can be equally applied to any of the other players named, if not more so.


Fair do's.....your opinion and youre entitled to it (wrong in my eyes, but I can accept that :))

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No Zogs nominated, unfair. lennon what the.


Senior: Lampard.


Young: Rooney.


as predictable as ....

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It was implied when you slated Carvalho, ADH and Ferreira dumbass....



Doesnt make him the best player in the prem though........



I hardly think you can compare playing alongside Xabi to playing in the star studded chelsea team, poor arguement there mate.

Yeah.......because such is his versatility that he can do a job for us at RM asewll as CM, even when he was out of position; he was scoring regularly and MOTM numerous times- so "hold his place" was a bit OTT.



No, they look good because of him and all the work he does....



Fair do's.....your opinion and youre entitled to it (wrong in my eyes, but I can accept that :))

Slated Carvalho et al???? I said he has had an average season, as have the others. I think again, most Chelsea fans would agree with that.

The other points raised were to show how feeble the argument against Terry was. But I don't suppose he'll give a monkeys when he lifts the Premiership trophy